10/30 AR mags

5 minites of research on the Hexmag shows there is nothing permanent about how the magazine is limited to 10 rounds. It's a 30 round magazine with a non-permanent plastic spacer in the bottom. That is not compliant with the law.

You also cannot discount what the RCMP has stated about Lar15 magazines... you can debate them if you choose but thats got to be an expensive fight... just read the requirements they stated on the two approved RRA Lar15 magazines.
 
FoxAlpha said:
Well I'm sure we could debate legal semantics until the cows come home, but every man is entitled to do as he sees fit.
While I'd love to see the proof that these are in fact legal, and not just 30 round mags, pinned to 10 and written "pistol mag" in white crayon (as blaxsun so eloquently put), I just don't see how these fit the bill and if I'm going to play in loopholes, I'd sooner just acquire more beo mags and sport 15 rounders.
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...What more do you want? If you're familiar with the magazine capacity laws, you'd know that LAR pistol mags used in rifles do not contradict the current laws in place.

If the magazines are markes as pistol mags, and they're being legally sold, why would you doubt the legality of them? They're no more or less legal than Beowulf mags at the moment. RCMP opinion aside.
 
Cameron SS said:
Things are legal by default until the government says they aren't. Loopholes or not, semantics or not, you should be asking that someone prove they are illegal by showing you a statute or regulation that says they are not legal, as confirmed by a judge at someones trial. Anything less is just opinion and debate, blaxun's hypothetical notwithstanding.

The government has indicated it will refuse to issue import permits, this does not make it illegal. There are all kinds of things that are illegal to import that are legal to possess once they are in the country. Like car seats made in the US that don't meet CSA standards, and high volume flushing toilets, for examples.
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While I strongly agree with you on a basis of principal, I believe history has shown us that is not the case. While it may not necessarily be written law that it is illegal, we live in a country of priveledges, guilty until proven innocent, "maybe you're acquitted or charges are dropped but you're still stuck with a 6 figure legal bill" etc.

10/30's are a reasonably new item here, and just as the LAR15 mags were new we received a lot of flak and questioning until the RCMP so gratiously provided us with the bulletin above.

For our communities sake, I hope these are proved legal (while a scrap of C68 would be preferred) but with the landscape as it sits currently, I can't help but believe some poor SOB is in for a ride when the RCMP decides to set precedence. If someone wants to challenge this head on, I'll be behind you entirely, but unfortunately I don't believe our community would stand behind myself or any one individual when I (or you) turn into the next Ian Thompson.
 
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Scotty454 said:
...What more do you want? If you're familiar with the magazine capacity laws, you'd know that LAR pistol mags used in rifles do not contradict the current laws in place.

If the magazines are markes as pistol mags, and they're being legally sold, why would you doubt the legality of them? They're no more or less legal than Beowulf mags at the moment. RCMP opinion aside.
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Because LAR mags are manufactured as just that. Period. Hence "LAR15". They are not just a 30 round USGI mag pinned to 10 and written "pistol mag". As the RCMP have clarified before, they must be a manufactured as their own magazine, and not an adaption of an already common USGI mag. It's no different then when folks on here we're contemplating taking their 30 round USGI mags, stamping 50 BEOWULF on them, and calling them beo mags.

My point is that these do not appear to be any different from a run of the mill STANAG AR15 designed magazine, stamped with a pistol designation.
I'm not disagreeing that the laws are arbitrary and utterly useless, I just don't see how this isn't a complete contradiction of what's understood to be a legal pistol magazine.

LAR15 pistol, ATRS pistol, C-Products pistol, all 10 round pistol magazines that are designed and manufactured to a different specification than your average USGI or PMAG.

So to answer your question, I would appreciate some kind of documentation that proves these are not a basic 30 round hexmags branded with a pistol magazine marking. That's what I would kindly appreciate. And yes, I do understand pistol magazine legislation, fully.

But as I've said before, you are your own Indiviudual and it is your right to do as you see fit in my eyes.
 
tony9000 said:
then all SHORT usgi mags are pistol mags too then right? this is just a mess
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What made you form that connection...?
Is it a magazine designed and manufactured as a pistol magazine? Legal
Is it a magazine designed and manufactured as a rifle magazine but "adapted" to pistol magazine? Prohibited device.

For what it's worth, I'm currently talking with Hexmag directly and it seems to be revealing that their "PCC mags" are simply their 10 round California compliant magazine, just rebranded to say PCC mag. So in other words, a prohibited device.
 
the whole notion, that a pistol mag is different, confuses me. its just a label, only way it can make sense, as long as its labled for pistol use, or sold with, or sold for pistols, is what matters
 
tony9000 said:
the whole notion, that a pistol mag is different, confuses me. its just a label, only way it can make sense, as long as its labled for pistol use, or sold with, or sold for pistols, is what matters
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FoxAlpha summed it up right here:

FoxAlpha said:
What made you form that connection...?
Is it a magazine designed and manufactured as a pistol magazine? Legal
Is it a magazine designed and manufactured as a rifle magazine but "adapted" to pistol magazine? Prohibited device.
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tony9000 said:
the whole notion, that a pistol mag is different, confuses me. its just a label, only way it can make sense, as long as its labled for pistol use, or sold with, or sold for pistols, is what matters
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The law:

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
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As I already stated... the Hexmag only has a plastic stopper that can be removed... not...legal.

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If these are so "illegal" as some here are suggesting perhaps they could provide an explanation as to how they got approved for import? Some intelligent insight on how they got here if they aren't supposed to be here would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
How do you know the Canadian ones aren't glued in?
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Maybe they are, nothing on their website or any any photo or video out there of these say they are. They also are not labelled in a way approved by the RCMP when they first approved Lar mags. But feel free to take a shot, I think its important to give more legal info on these... I also think these are coming out at a time where the Liberals apparently are looking at "5 means 5" legislation... and I dont feel like poking the bear.
 
I'm just sayin' that if they are in fact prohib, the charge would be the same whether you're using these or a straight up standard cap pmag with the rivet yanked.
 
WhackQuacks said:
I'm just sayin' that if they are in fact prohib, the charge would be the same whether you're using these or a straight up standard cap pmag with the rivet yanked.
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Can anyone cite a case where someone has been charged???? No you can't because the word on the street is that officers are not to grand stand by laying such bullsh*t charges as they are based on opinion and not the letter of the law.. I will shoot all my 10 and 15 round magazines without fear.
 
Paul_1982 said:
The law:



As I already stated... the Hexmag only has a plastic stopper that can be removed... not...legal.

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No it doesn’t. That is not a limiter. It’s a riser with a shortened spring. If you remove the riser the magazine will not function unlike repurposed magazines which will function as 30 round magazines if you remove the pin. It is manufactured this way, not repurposed which your quoted laws apply to.

The real issue would be if they were really designed for a LAR-15
 
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