If only 1 pistol ? Hammer VS Striker

Some striker guns like Walther P99 or PPQ have triggers that rival the best of metal hammer guns. The Walthers are very accurate too.

They were my favourite until I realized they are not as size efficient for a 15 round pistol as a Glock 19. But hey, after getting a Glock 43, even the Glock 19 is 'too big' for my tastes!!!

Your mileage and requirements may vary.
 
How did you become such an expert in such a short time? You joined the forum in april 2016. You introduced yourself as a newbie from BC who just got his RPAL. And now your a guy thats " in the know"?

enough with the ad hominem. Those in the know are police and military who have made the move to striker fired. Adress the arguments without deflection and you'll solidify your position.
 
Not picking on you wood973 but your post sums up my response to TT1900 perfectly. Complain about the trigger then validate your shortcomings by trumping up an SA hammer gun. Oh and post count doesn't mean a thing.

Not picking on me, but you assume you know what my shortcomings are... hmmmm... Lol. You know nothing about me or what my skills or shortcoming truly are. That's the funny thing about the Internet, you never really know who you're talking to. Best try to remember that so not to come off as a know-it-all 'expert'. Lol

Can I shoot striker guns? Yes. Do I prefer hammer guns? Yes. Liking one doesn't mean you suck at everything else. I just prefer the feeling of a hammer gun trigger.
 
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Some striker guns like Walther P99 or PPQ have triggers that rival the best of metal hammer guns. The Walthers are very accurate too.

They were my favourite until I realized they are not as size efficient for a 15 round pistol as a Glock 19. But hey, after getting a Glock 43, even the Glock 19 is 'too big' for my tastes!!!

Your mileage and requirements may vary.

The PPQ is a single action design, it better have a decent trigger. The P99 is a DA/SA striker fired gun and the SA isn't stellar, the DA is typical very long and heavy.

Not picking on me, but you assume you know what my shortcomings are... hmmmm... Lol. You know nothing about me or what my skills or shortcoming truly are. That's the funny thing about the Internet, you never really know who you're talking to. Best try to remember that so not to come off as a know-it-all 'expert'. Lol

Can I shoot striker guns? Yes. Do I prefer hammer guns? Yes. Liking one doesn't mean you suck at everything else. I just prefer the feeling of a hammer gun trigger.

Your comments previously about "spongy triggers" on striker fired guns and "Nothing like the crisp break of a hammer slipping off a sear." comment are clear indications that your performance from one to the other are drastically different which means your fundamentals suck, like poor trigger control and likely not working the reset.
 
Your comments previously about "spongy triggers" on striker fired guns and "Nothing like the crisp break of a hammer slipping off a sear." comment are clear indications that your performance from one to the other are drastically different which means your fundamentals suck, like poor trigger control and likely not working the reset.

Hahaha. Whatever you say buds.

Did Chris Costa teach you that? Or was it instructor zero? I mean it definitly shows that you're professional trained by someone 'in the know.' I must bow down to your awesome tactacoolness. After all, I'm just a no body with no real world knowledge or experience. Lol
 
In pure precision matches the trophy's are usually won by hammer fired guns, example PPC shot at 50 meters. That said, in duty / action use a good striker fired gun is excellent. It's just hard to get really really good accuracy....at long ranges like 50 meters with a striker fired gun....but the Walter PPQ might be the exception. Hammer and striker fired guns excel in different uses...some do pretty well in all uses. Decide what your priorities are choose accordingly.

Rich
 
LMAO never thought this thread would stir up so much controversy but plenty of good information coming from it.....especially the resentment from the east coast - west coat guy's lol... OK Ontario isn't east coast but those West of Manitoba may differ....Either in Calgary or Petawawa we all have opinions and we all gain knowledge from others opinions!
I do believe neither is more or less safe than the other....more about comfortable and what used to....I grew up on shotgun and rifle so a manual safety is no issue to me to learn....especially when on of those being a Lee Enfield with safety on wrong side ...trust me you get used to it and it becomes natural.....

Great dialogue though and am learning a thing or two........:)
 
In pure precision matches the trophy's are usually won by hammer fired guns, example PPC shot at 50 meters. That said, in duty / action use a good striker fired gun is excellent. It's just hard to get really really good accuracy....at long ranges like 50 meters with a striker fired gun....but the Walter PPQ might be the exception. Hammer and striker fired guns excel in different uses...some do pretty well in all uses. Decide what your priorities are choose accordingly.

Rich

This is the correct answer for all these threads about 'what's the right/perfect/best gun'.
 
Hahaha. Whatever you say buds.

Did Chris Costa teach you that? Or was it instructor zero? I mean it definitly shows that you're professional trained by someone 'in the know.' I must bow down to your awesome tactacoolness. After all, I'm just a no body with no real world knowledge or experience. Lol

Your previous post tells me all I need to know, you don't like striker fired guns and champion a hammer fired design. This is a very clear indication that you simply can't shoot. This post ^^ tells me that you haven't anything left to offer which is why you've now resorted to ad hominem attacks(that's a fancy way of saying you're attacking me personally and not my position). I can return the favor: It should be "bud" not "buds" as the former is plural, I am but one person, and you're missing some letters in definitly. That tells me you were/are definitely typing in haste or simply can't write.

In pure precision matches the trophy's are usually won by hammer fired guns, example PPC shot at 50 meters. That said, in duty / action use a good striker fired gun is excellent. It's just hard to get really really good accuracy....at long ranges like 50 meters with a striker fired gun....but the Walter PPQ might be the exception. Hammer and striker fired guns excel in different uses...some do pretty well in all uses. Decide what your priorities are choose accordingly.

Rich

How much precision do you need at 50 metres and how much precision does the thick front sight of a service pistol provide?

LMAO never thought this thread would stir up so much controversy but plenty of good information coming from it.....especially the resentment from the east coast - west coat guy's lol... OK Ontario isn't east coast but those West of Manitoba may differ....Either in Calgary or Petawawa we all have opinions and we all gain knowledge from others opinions!
I do believe neither is more or less safe than the other....more about comfortable and what used to....I grew up on shotgun and rifle so a manual safety is no issue to me to learn....especially when on of those being a Lee Enfield with safety on wrong side ...trust me you get used to it and it becomes natural.....

Great dialogue though and am learning a thing or two........:)

Growing up and functioning a firearm safely is not learning how to run it efficiently or effectively. Manual safeties aren't worth the trouble nor are they needed on a handgun.
 
Besides being much better sealed against the environment than a hammer gun, what real world mechanical advantages do strikers offer?
 
Buds is an insult... if you were 'in the know' like you said, you'd know that. Lol

Anyways, this thread was asking what people prefer. I prefer hammer guns for the reason I stated. I'm not gonna continue to have a #### measuring contest with a know-it-all Internet tough guy who uses the glock forums as his personal ####hub. Have a good life... Buds.
 
Well Kidd X,

Come on out and shoot some PPC matches and you'll find out how much precision you will need regardless of front sight width at 50 meters. With good ammo you'd be surprised at how good of groups one can achieve...often the same size as what the sight is covering.
50 meters is a whole different game, but the PPQ 5" is performing well at that distance.

As I stated before determine what your needs are and choose accordingly. If all I'm interested in is hitting an IPSC A zone at 25 meters great! But that will not win trophies in all shooting sports.

Rich
 
I have to go with my Beretta 92A1 or my M9A1 Compact. If the gun is good enough for Earnest Langdon (IPSC/IDPA Champion), US Marine Corp Vet and well known Firearms Instructor, it is good enough for me. No other gun from 1985 to date has more real world history than the 92 design. To my knowledge the man's only flaw is he has not been to Calgary yet.

Take Care

Bob
 
Growing up and functioning a firearm safely is not learning how to run it efficiently or effectively. Manual safeties aren't worth the trouble nor are they needed on a handgun.[/QUOTE]


Well if you grow up with a firearm with a manual safety.....YOU LEARN HOW TO USE IT EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVE!
I understand this is a pistol / revolver forum but us guys in Ontario learned to shoot deer on the run through trees with manual safety rifles! Oh ya....those deer were in front of hounds so were moving a bit lol. If you can shoulder a rifle in a split second while taking off the safety and then touch the trigger to hit a running deer...or bear...you can damn sure learn how to operate a safety on a pistol....Just Saying! No I do not believe a safety is needed on all pistols due to training and experience....however...it is not a hindrance to those who are accustomed to it.

THIS BEING SAID lol........ok ..I am going to try a striker fired pistol.
 
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Besides being much better sealed against the environment than a hammer gun, what real world mechanical advantages do strikers offer?

Fewer parts, consistent triggers, lower bore axis, less weight.

Buds is an insult... if you were 'in the know' like you said, you'd know that. Lol

Anyways, this thread was asking what people prefer. I prefer hammer guns for the reason I stated. I'm not gonna continue to have a #### measuring contest with a know-it-all Internet tough guy who uses the glock forums as his personal ####hub. Have a good life... Buds.

I'm sorry, I'm not up to par on the latest butchering of the English language slang terms. The word "buds" is plural, meaning more than one, that is if you understand grammar.

You didn't state anything, you merely posted your unfounded opinion/preference and failed to support it, made personal attacks and here we are.

Well Kidd X,

Come on out and shoot some PPC matches and you'll find out how much precision you will need regardless of front sight width at 50 meters. With good ammo you'd be surprised at how good of groups one can achieve...often the same size as what the sight is covering.
50 meters is a whole different game, but the PPQ 5" is performing well at that distance.

As I stated before determine what your needs are and choose accordingly. If all I'm interested in is hitting an IPSC A zone at 25 meters great! But that will not win trophies in all shooting sports.

Rich

having made hits at 300 metres(not on demand, took a magazine and a bit) with my Glock 19 I know longer distances can be achieved. My point is what level of precision is needed for the majority of roles/uses of a service pistol. Long range pistol competitions are not practical nor are the distances shot common. Service guns were not designed for such distances either. Always fun to see what can be done but it is by no means a barometer for what is or is not a good pistol.

Growing up and functioning a firearm safely is not learning how to run it efficiently or effectively. Manual safeties aren't worth the trouble nor are they needed on a handgun.


Well if you grow up with a firearm with a manual safety.....YOU LEARN HOW TO USE IT EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVE!
I understand this is a pistol / revolver forum but us guys in Ontario learned to shoot deer on the run through trees with manual safety rifles! Oh ya....those deer were in front of hounds so were moving a bit lol. If you can shoulder a rifle in a split second while taking off the safety and then touch the trigger to hit a running deer...or bear...you can damn sure learn how to operate a safety on a pistol....Just Saying! No I do not believe a safety is needed on all pistols due to training and experience....however...it is not a hindrance to those who are accustomed to it.

THIS BEING SAID lol........ok ..I am going to try a striker fired pistol.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, learning to shoot with your pa is not the same thing as formal training nor is it even close to a fair comparison with handgun shooting. For starters the rifle is already in hand so your only concern is the safety and then the shot. Second, you're not trying to make first round hits in under 1.5 seconds from a holster like a handgun competitor or service member is. I can appreciate the adrenaline rush and the difficulty of the shot, but it is not the same thing.

Becoming accustomed to a manual safety can be done. The question is why would you waste the time with one if you didn't have to? For those issued manual safety guns they have little choice. For the rest of us who have the freedom to choose then a gun with a manual safety is simply a step backwards and offers absolutely zero advantage over passive safety guns.
 
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