A 1.5s draw from concealment with a first round hit is a good benchmark to achieve. This isn't at 5 yards this should be your goal for 25 yards or better. Again, from concealment with a concealment holster.
You're losing sight of the discussion Bob. Competitors use competition gear, none of which is suited for concealed carry or PRACTICAL use. If you've been following along you should know that I don't care what the gamer crowd does, I'm only interested in practical use of the firearm.
Well this is only partly true and really sport specific. I shoot a lot of IDPA and I would say over half of the competitors at the WA State match, a match that regularly attracts shooters from across the US, shoot the guns they carry daily. The base guns on the rest are all designs you could carry. A good recent example is the PPQ M2 Match. Put the Standard's slide on the Match version and you have a pistol marketed to the LEO crowd. The internals are identical as are the dimensions. Folks do carry 5" guns though the 4" version is available.
Langdon is a professional instructor who likely shoots daily, I would expect his times to be very low. I am also not saying you should stop at
1.5s times but you should strive to be there or faster. Let's not forget that the time for the draw to first shot is not how any game is scored, that time is simply part of the run.
Not quite true in IDPA as well as ASI time is the scorrng function albeit a very small function of the overall score. In any given 12 stage match you likely would from from a holster 10 times and of those instances movement before the first shot reduces further the need for a a fast draw.
In real life though if you do not have gun in hand your hand before the need, you really are behind the curve in a very bad way. Cops have their guns out as they approach vehicles for a reason.
I have no doubt there are those who can run their manual safety guns without any time penalty. The problem is there is no way to guarantee you won't forget it or otherwise screw up the presentation. Without a manual safety there is no chance of a control failure occuring that would prevent you from firing. Manual safety "failures"(to disengage) are unique to guns with manual safeties only. Why handicap yourself?? A similar argument is made for DA/SA guns with regards to their long heavy DA triggers. Not the easiest to learn and far from being a benefit to accurate shooting. Both systems also require the safety/decocker be activated prior to holstering. Adding even more steps to the process.
You might be a fantastic 1911 shooter Bob, but I assure you that we both(as well as many others here) have seen a shooter draw and flinch because they failed to disengage the safety. Not the end of the world at a match but it could be as an LEO/MIL or armed citiizen.
No one I know of would ever describe me as a fantastic shooter. Nobody!
That said I can count on one hand the number of times I have witnessed shooters using safety applied pistols (1911's in the main), forget to disengage the safety in matches. Virtually none! This is a canard floated around among those who try their best to defend the absence of some form of manual safety.
The plinker crowd who have limited to no experience is a whole different kettle of fish. Hand a 1911 to a new shooter, explain the gun has a safety and it most be disengaged before the gun will fire will almost always forget to go off safe. You can repeat ad nausea this canard if you want but it won't make it any more true. Anyone who shoots 1911's will tell you the same thing. I shot one in competitons for a few years and even applied the safety while moving from one shooting position to another without incident. Did the same thing with a Tanfoglio as well.
This is the level I would like to achieve(yeah right). Oh, and John(below) isn't acquiring his sights at this range and this speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNX3o-trdTc
if you prefer steel.
