Ok so why is it hard for some of you to understand people want to change their rifle to meet their preference?
Changing a handguard, a trigger, a stock, a grip, that is all standard fare in the AR world. Thats common sense! Expecting anything different is not common sense. So when people come here and say that I'm a fool for wanting to alter my AR10ish rifle? I'm like are you drunk? Thats what we do!
This rifle is not new to the market, it has seen a gen1 version, people bought on that gen1 version. Comments stating that you're a fool for buying stuff that fits on the gen1 and hoping that it would fit your order when no one was aware the second preorder would be gen2 rifles, thats just asinine. Why would a company that had something non proprietary before decide to make it proprietary moving forward 6 months after, and talking about the handguard, putting tabs in to make sure it is a solid fit, so they say?
Could it be they want to see stripped sets and are making sure that when you buy a stripped set you can only buy their crappy stuff because it is now proprietary upper and lower?
Yah that sounds more like how a company would behave.
So be it I'm done talking about this, I understand my point of view but no one else seems to so obviously I'm wrong.
As for the handguard, if it's just a couple index pins on the upper those can easily be removed but it would have made a lot more sense for them to put the index pins on the handguard instead of the upper which would have done the same thing for less money and would leave the upper compatible with any brand handguard.
You guys crack me up.
As the purchaser and owner of one of the first BCL 102 rifles I knew I was taking a gamble, that it might have issues, I might not like it, it might be heavy, not function properly, etc.
I wanted a NR black rifle in 308 I could plink and hunt with. Luckily mine has been pretty much flawless thus far with just one FTF. I recognize it will likely have issues in the future. That’s the risk you take buying a newly developed product. I’ve taken that risk buying vehicles before and going through lots of recalls and having downtime when it was at the dealership getting fixed. But I wanted that new vehicle.
I was hoping for a sub-MOA rifle, it’s not, at least mine isn’t, but it shoots pretty consistent 1 1/2 to 2” groups depending on the ammo or reloads I am using.
That’s the risk you take when buying a rifle from a company has not made it before.
Personally I am just grateful NEA / BCL brought this NR rifle to market.
What I don’t get is all the people who are surprised and upset that BCL is making changes to the rifle.
They have no obligation to keep the design the same. Whether they are making changes to lower the cost of production or improve the rifle, hell that is their choice. They are the ones that invested money in both the R & D and going through the crap the RCMP lab likely put them through to get a NR FRT.
IMHO if you go out and buy a ton of parts before you even have possession of your new rifle and are surprised they won’t fit, especially when it is so new to the market and the rifle is now being manufactured by the purchaser of the original company that designed it, well, I think that is on you.
Flame on.
No flames here but I don't fully agree with a couple of your points.
I agree that a person buying one takes a risk they might not like it or the weight/balance of the rifle but when you buy a firearm (that wasn't assembled by children in China) you should be able to buy rifle and expect it to work and you should be able to expect decent consistent workmanship, especially since so much of it will be CNC machined with only a small amount of finishing after it comes out of the machine.
This is not a newly developed product, at it's core is a well know and widely used operating system, the only thing they had to develop was the CNC program to make a more modern version of the old design.
I was actually expecting a little better accuracy from it as well, the one thing NEA had before was decent barrels, they've always had a poor reputation for their finishing work and consistency but their barrels other than being a little overgassed were always decently accurate. I wasn't expecting sub moa from this barrel but that's what aftermarket is for and also why I think many are complaining about the changes, hopefully the barrel compatibility hasn't changed from Gen 1 to Gen 2.
The risk you take buying a rifle from a company that hasn't hasn't made it before? NEA has been building AR-15's and the NEA-25 for a long time, this isn't some new company that just started out. Just a name change to try to run away from their old reputation.
I'm also grateful to them for bringing it to market, the more rifles like this in the NR category the better, I just wish they were more consistent in their manufacturing so you weren't taking such a gamble buying one.
I don't think anyone is upset they are making changes, especially if those changes translate into an increase in reliability. I think what people are upset about is the prospect of not being able to buy as much aftermarket parts that will fit. As silly as it is some guys are simply looking at these as an $1800 upper/lower to do their dream non restricted AR-10 build from and if it all of a sudden changes to proprietary parts between generations after they've already taken people's money for the rifle then I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect the same parts compatibility from Gen 1 to Gen 2.
People who pre-ordered for the second batch figured they would be buying the same rifle with maybe a few tweaks to make it run better not expecting it to be a completely new rifle.
Yes they are kinda obligated to keep the design the same, The rifle was granted a non restricted FRT based on the sample they submitted to the lab. That means that future rifles can not stray too far from that original sample rifle.
I don't really think it's on the guys who bought parts thinking they would fit, that's why they waited for the second pre-order, so they could see what worked and what didn't work then placed the order for the rifle and bought the parts, NEA/BCL changing parts to proprietary between batches and basically creating a Gen 2 without any communication until after guys had paid for the rifle is out of the consumers hands and I think they have a right to be a little upset. Had it been communicated prior to taking people's money that would be a different story but that's not how this went.
Glad to hear you got a good one, be sure to post a report once you've got 1000 rounds through it, I'm hoping these turn out to be a decent rifle.
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, for some people I'm sure NEA parts will work just fine when they pull the gun out of the safe to show their buddy before putting it back in the safe. Judging by the posts of many of the gun owners on this site a lot of these rifles will be lucky to see 500 rounds put through them in the next five years.























