** Your NEA102 build **

Ok so why is it hard for some of you to understand people want to change their rifle to meet their preference?
Changing a handguard, a trigger, a stock, a grip, that is all standard fare in the AR world. Thats common sense! Expecting anything different is not common sense. So when people come here and say that I'm a fool for wanting to alter my AR10ish rifle? I'm like are you drunk? Thats what we do!

This rifle is not new to the market, it has seen a gen1 version, people bought on that gen1 version. Comments stating that you're a fool for buying stuff that fits on the gen1 and hoping that it would fit your order when no one was aware the second preorder would be gen2 rifles, thats just asinine. Why would a company that had something non proprietary before decide to make it proprietary moving forward 6 months after, and talking about the handguard, putting tabs in to make sure it is a solid fit, so they say?

Could it be they want to see stripped sets and are making sure that when you buy a stripped set you can only buy their crappy stuff because it is now proprietary upper and lower?

Yah that sounds more like how a company would behave.

So be it I'm done talking about this, I understand my point of view but no one else seems to so obviously I'm wrong.

As for the handguard, if it's just a couple index pins on the upper those can easily be removed but it would have made a lot more sense for them to put the index pins on the handguard instead of the upper which would have done the same thing for less money and would leave the upper compatible with any brand handguard.


You guys crack me up.

As the purchaser and owner of one of the first BCL 102 rifles I knew I was taking a gamble, that it might have issues, I might not like it, it might be heavy, not function properly, etc.

I wanted a NR black rifle in 308 I could plink and hunt with. Luckily mine has been pretty much flawless thus far with just one FTF. I recognize it will likely have issues in the future. That’s the risk you take buying a newly developed product. I’ve taken that risk buying vehicles before and going through lots of recalls and having downtime when it was at the dealership getting fixed. But I wanted that new vehicle.

I was hoping for a sub-MOA rifle, it’s not, at least mine isn’t, but it shoots pretty consistent 1 1/2 to 2” groups depending on the ammo or reloads I am using.

That’s the risk you take when buying a rifle from a company has not made it before.

Personally I am just grateful NEA / BCL brought this NR rifle to market.

What I don’t get is all the people who are surprised and upset that BCL is making changes to the rifle.

They have no obligation to keep the design the same. Whether they are making changes to lower the cost of production or improve the rifle, hell that is their choice. They are the ones that invested money in both the R & D and going through the crap the RCMP lab likely put them through to get a NR FRT.

IMHO if you go out and buy a ton of parts before you even have possession of your new rifle and are surprised they won’t fit, especially when it is so new to the market and the rifle is now being manufactured by the purchaser of the original company that designed it, well, I think that is on you.

Flame on.


No flames here but I don't fully agree with a couple of your points.

I agree that a person buying one takes a risk they might not like it or the weight/balance of the rifle but when you buy a firearm (that wasn't assembled by children in China) you should be able to buy rifle and expect it to work and you should be able to expect decent consistent workmanship, especially since so much of it will be CNC machined with only a small amount of finishing after it comes out of the machine.

This is not a newly developed product, at it's core is a well know and widely used operating system, the only thing they had to develop was the CNC program to make a more modern version of the old design.

I was actually expecting a little better accuracy from it as well, the one thing NEA had before was decent barrels, they've always had a poor reputation for their finishing work and consistency but their barrels other than being a little overgassed were always decently accurate. I wasn't expecting sub moa from this barrel but that's what aftermarket is for and also why I think many are complaining about the changes, hopefully the barrel compatibility hasn't changed from Gen 1 to Gen 2.

The risk you take buying a rifle from a company that hasn't hasn't made it before? NEA has been building AR-15's and the NEA-25 for a long time, this isn't some new company that just started out. Just a name change to try to run away from their old reputation.

I'm also grateful to them for bringing it to market, the more rifles like this in the NR category the better, I just wish they were more consistent in their manufacturing so you weren't taking such a gamble buying one.

I don't think anyone is upset they are making changes, especially if those changes translate into an increase in reliability. I think what people are upset about is the prospect of not being able to buy as much aftermarket parts that will fit. As silly as it is some guys are simply looking at these as an $1800 upper/lower to do their dream non restricted AR-10 build from and if it all of a sudden changes to proprietary parts between generations after they've already taken people's money for the rifle then I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect the same parts compatibility from Gen 1 to Gen 2.
People who pre-ordered for the second batch figured they would be buying the same rifle with maybe a few tweaks to make it run better not expecting it to be a completely new rifle.

Yes they are kinda obligated to keep the design the same, The rifle was granted a non restricted FRT based on the sample they submitted to the lab. That means that future rifles can not stray too far from that original sample rifle.

I don't really think it's on the guys who bought parts thinking they would fit, that's why they waited for the second pre-order, so they could see what worked and what didn't work then placed the order for the rifle and bought the parts, NEA/BCL changing parts to proprietary between batches and basically creating a Gen 2 without any communication until after guys had paid for the rifle is out of the consumers hands and I think they have a right to be a little upset. Had it been communicated prior to taking people's money that would be a different story but that's not how this went.

Glad to hear you got a good one, be sure to post a report once you've got 1000 rounds through it, I'm hoping these turn out to be a decent rifle.
 
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Ok so why is it hard for some of you to understand people want to change their rifle to meet their preference?
Changing a handguard, a trigger, a stock, a grip, that is all standard fare in the AR world. Thats common sense! Expecting anything different is not common sense. So when people come here and say that I'm a fool for wanting to alter my AR10ish rifle? I'm like are you drunk? Thats what we do!

Those guys are all butt-hurt because their wife's wont let them buy cool stuff...

The rest of us will have fun building cool rifles that dont suck.
 
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Man, just spent a good chunk of time trying to write what I thought was an objective post in the other thread only to find that it had deteriorated and got locked while I typed.

If BCL actually kept people informed of the changes to a rifle that people have already preordered they’d avoid a lot of the drama or maybe even rethink some of their choices. I’m not on the preorder but if I were I’d cancel just on the handguard alone. Doesn’t the current handguard have anti rotation tabs? Looks like it but kind of hard to tell.

Does it still use the same rear takedown pin? Lower now looks narrower in that area.

I can understand the logic of an ambi lower but as a right handed person it’s not something I want and only increases production costs which only benefits 30% of customers. Having ambi controls forced down my throat with the C7A2 upgrade has made me dead set against them. The safety rubbing my trigger finger is annoying enough but a Norgon ambi catch is down right dangerous when carried right handed. It’s unprotected and resting against your body/equipment while being carried right handed. I’ve seen a lot of people have their mags release unintentionally because of it.

I actually prefer the standard trigger guard as I can shoot with mitts if I have to.

Weird case deflector, haven’t heard of any issues with the first one so why the change?

Flared magwell? Sure, why not. Logo? Looks better and can easily be filled in. LOL

Anyway, look forward to the reviews when it comes out regardless. Hopefully they’ve worked on the functional problems people were having like BCG, chamber etc...

ETA: does anyone have a DPMS 25 and the BCL? I wonder if uppers are compatible?
 
Hopefully they’ve worked on the functional problems people were having like BCG, chamber etc...

Looks to me like they just polished the turd and probably didnt actually upgrade the internals... lol

The more I look at the upper the more milling those 2 tabs off look like it will be an easy job.

Now I have to order a Norgon Ambi-Catch from Brownells. lol..
 
Looks to me like they just polished the turd and probably didnt actually upgrade the internals... lol

The more I look at the upper the more milling those 2 tabs off look like it will be an easy job.

Now I have to order a Norgon Ambi-Catch from Brownells. lol..

I don't think they needed to upgrade the internals, more so that they just need to make them properly and consistently.
 
I don't think they needed to upgrade the internals, more so that they just need to make them properly and consistently.

Ill have a big pile of parts to use as targets next time I take my Cadex out :) ... lol... Or use them to zero in my build... Win Win lol...
 
Ill have a big pile of parts to use as targets next time I take my Cadex out :) ... lol... Or use them to zero in my build... Win Win lol...

If you get lucky and get a rifle that works you could always sell those BCL parts to some of the less fortunate guys who don't want to send their rifle back and wait 2-3 months to get it back. Win Win Win.
 
LMFAO, I've been restraining myself lately, I think I'm doing pretty well, got off with a warning a little while ago. Funny how even on this site the "I'm offended by everything" is so strong.



What difference does it make if the handgaurd is proprietary or not? They aren't selling stripped upper/lower so you have to buy the complete rifle with handgaurd anyway, why would they care what you do with it after you've paid for the parts anyway? It's not in their best interest to make it proprietary, quite the opposite, now guys that were willing to pay $1800 for the rifle just to use the upper/lower won't be interested because they're stuck with the factory parts they don't like.

Exactly! Obviously they were offended that most people wanted to switch their parts and made it more difficult for us. To cr5's point, if we want to blow our money on a handguard, its not their concern. The interchangeability was a selling point! I don't think it will be a problem though to remove the tabs and install the new handguard.
 
Exactly! Obviously they were offended that most people wanted to switch their parts and made it more difficult for us. To cr5's point, if we want to blow our money on a handguard, its not their concern. The interchangeability was a selling point! I don't think it will be a problem though to remove the tabs and install the new handguard.

I totally agree
 
Just sent a PM for the Gen 1 on EE.... :) Screw that gen 2 abortion.

Name calling. Seriously stop it you're making me lol. That anti tactic really props up your position. If nothing else your yapping is good for an entertaining laugh. Made me day.

I dont expect anyone to take me seriously, I just come here for entertainment ...lol... I love to troll and have fun... hahahhahahaa

If you get lucky and get a rifle that works you could always sell those BCL parts to some of the less fortunate guys who don't want to send their rifle back and wait 2-3 months to get it back. Win Win Win.


Why would someone in there right mind want to use NEA parts ... lol...
 
Just sent a PM for the Gen 1 on EE.... :) Screw that gen 2 abortion.

I dont expect anyone to take me seriously, I just come here for entertainment ...lol... I love to troll and have fun... hahahhahahaa

Why would someone in there right mind want to use NEA parts ... lol...

Lol, screw the Gen 1 that should have been aborted.
99% of my ignorant posts are just to keep the whiners whining or try to show them how childish they're being.
Not everyone is a hard ass operator like you :ar15:, for some people I'm sure NEA parts will work just fine when they pull the gun out of the safe to show their buddy before putting it back in the safe. Judging by the posts of many of the gun owners on this site a lot of these rifles will be lucky to see 500 rounds put through them in the next five years.
 
Judging by the posts of many of the gun owners on this site a lot of these rifles will be lucky to see 500 rounds put through them in the next five years.

You're being too generous. Id say some of these rifles wont even see 100 rounds and the owners will say that they never had a failiure...lol. And training is nothing like operating. I just want to be more efficient and comfortable with my gear. And its was more fun than sitting on my fat a$$ from a static line like a newb.

Train hard and long enough and your gear fails.
 
You're being too generous. Id say some of these rifles wont even see 100 rounds and the owners will say that they never had a failiure...lol. And training is nothing like operating. I just want to be more efficient and comfortable with my gear. And its was more fun than sitting on my fat a$$ from a static line like a newb.

Train hard and long enough and your gear fails.

I know, I try not to offend so I have to be generous :xes

Wish there was more training in the Edmonton area, I don't want to travel for it and there doesn't seem to be a lot offered around here. I should have joined in when my buddy was telling me about a two day course in Red Deer a while ago.
I guess I could just practice more at home and do some of the drills I remember from the course I did two summers ago.

Exactly! Obviously they were offended that most people wanted to switch their parts and made it more difficult for us. To cr5's point, if we want to blow our money on a handguard, its not their concern. The interchangeability was a selling point! I don't think it will be a problem though to remove the tabs and install the new handguard.

The only problem I can see from cutting off the tabs is that the only reason anyone in their right mind would buy an NEA/BCL product is because it's got a great warranty. Cut tabs off the receiver and they can deny warranty claims from that point forward. I guess you just need to smash 500 rounds through it in an afternoon and make sure it works before you modify anything, once you know you won the BCL lottery you can comfortably chop and cut whatever you want.
 
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