I'm giving my money to Maccabee. If ATRS has a superior product ill buy one of those as well. The best part of this whole deal is it is creating some competition by having options. I like that Maccabee released receivers sets first, other manufacturers pretty much have to follow suit. What didn't you like about the machining? Could it be that it is a prototype and not a production model? Wish I could see one in person.
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No they didn't.
We've gotten a few questions in response to the Dec 17 update email, so I want to clarify some things.
Delivery Estimate
In my previous email I wrote that there at had been a delay and the delivery date was estimated at "June or earlier." I want to clarify, there is no expected delay at this time, but I wrote June as the worst possible case if such a delay might occur. I would rather prepare you for the worst and then deliver a pleasant early surprise. Currently we expect to ship receivers in March.
Maccabee will be distributing receivers to all pre-order-participating dealers equally as the products come off the manufacturing line.
Delivery Estimate
In my previous email I wrote that there at had been a delay and the delivery date was estimated at "June or earlier." I want to clarify, there is no expected delay at this time, but I wrote June as the worst possible case if such a delay might occur. I would rather prepare you for the worst and then deliver a pleasant early surprise. Currently we expect to ship receivers in March.
Maccabee will be distributing receivers to all pre-order-participating dealers equally as the products come off the manufacturing line.
I don't expect them to be able to have product on retailers shelves that is available to purchase until a much later date.
Which is fine because I will get to hear all the complaints (if any) from those that waited months on a presale for the first gen
1. Method of take down.
2. Trigger compatibility and method of installation.
The proposed ATRS receiver is going to use standard take down pins instead of a bolt, also there will be no "module" that the trigger components need installed into prior to being installed into the receiver. MacDef's trigger "module" design severely limits which triggers are compatible.
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All speculation is pretty much useless unless these manufacturers can ramp up production enough to fill all orders and keep them on retailers shelves.
Whoever can do that will squeeze the other manufacturers out regardless of price point
Whoever can do that will squeeze the other manufacturers out regardless of price point
A pretty big claim given the limited public information available. Here are a couple facts:
1. The Maccabee trigger module concept is awaiting patent approval so details have been withheld from the public.
2. The module takes standard AR parts (some trigger pins might need to be shortened to fit).
3. Some after market module triggers may not work in the "standard" or un modified Maccabee module, however the module itself can be modified and additional options for modules will be made available.
4. The Maccabee module itself can easily be replaced, allowing quick changes of trigger types in your rifle, and easy disassembly for cleaning.
5. The Maccabee module is designed to minimize the amount of debris and fouling that accumulates on the trigger components themselves.
This is not to suggest one system is better than the other, but it is a little early to be claiming the Maccabee system is faulty when the details have not been fully released. Likewise the ATRS system seems to be largely conceptual right now.
It is interesting that you think the project is being rushed. What exactly makes you think this?
I'm not claiming the Maccabee system is "faulty". I'm only making a statement based on the limited information available up until the time I made my statement. When something is as different as this it's bound to draw some skepticism. It may very well turn out to be a great system.
Thanks for providing a little more insight and clarity on the subject.
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You are correct regarding their current MV/MH rifles.
However ATRS does have something new in the works. At this point the new offering from ATRS is only vapor ware as it is still in testing and the last I heard hasn't been submitted for FRT approval. I'm really hoping ATRS succeeds in bringing it to market but at this point MacDef is the only available option for an AR style stripped receiver set.
Seeing as CSC has answered your questions I will keep this short. A limited selection of triggers is fine. Unfortunately people today feel entitled to every option possible.
The take down is of absolutely zero issue. It's not something done under time contsraints and it is not something done with great regularity, get over it..
Again, CSC has answered your question, but I have to ask as well, where you came to the conclusion that MD was/is "rushing" this project? Furthermore we have seen problems with new guns from so called established companies offering known designs(NEA and their AR comes to mind).
I call BS on the insurance excuse. IMO ATRS didn't want to offer MV/MH sets as a way of forcing the consumer to grossly over pay for a complete build as well as using their services and/or other parts available. It is no coincidence that shortly after the release of the MD receiver sets that ATRS has come out with their own, and an excuse as to why it will be different from the MV/MH line. Lets not forget that the ATRS offering has not been seen or approved yet..
I had that same thought in the back of my mind. Glad you said it so I didn't have to.
