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My first attempt at reloading
When I got my press they had Titegroup on sale also I am starting with that.

See some of the post here say it being a narrow range powder ,not the best for beginners.

But looking for a min. starting load for 124g Campro I find,
Hodgon 3.6 - 4.1gr
Campro 4.1 - 4.4
Lee 4.1 - 4.4

I loaded up 10 at 3.8 and I got to the range and it was snowed in and now it is -40.:bangHead:

Where should I be starting 3.6 or 4.1 for my pistol.
 
4.2 gr Titegroup is my standard load behind a 124gr Campro

I have played around with lighter loads and found 4.0 and even 3.8 cycle my guns reliably.
 
I would say the useful range of that powder is 3.5 to 4.2 with the 124 gr bullet.

There are 4 issues to consider:

Safe pressure - The loads above are safe BUT TiteGroup is easy to double charge and not overflow the case - where you would notice. A double charge could wreck the gun.

Velocity - Do you need to make Minor for some kind of competition? A Chrony would tell you the velocity. Failing that, 4.1 would probably do it.

Cycling - The load has to have enough power to cycle the gun. This will vary dramatically between guns. My 1911 is best at 3.1 gr - which won't cycle some others.

Accuracy - No point on not loading the load the gets the best groups. I suggest you load 10 of each, in 0.3 gr increments. 3.2, 3.5 3.8 4.1 and see which load you and the gun prefer. I have over 20 9mms and most of them prefer 3.5
 
I used to run 4.2gr behind a 124gr Campro. I've drop it down to 4.0gr and seems a good overall load for all my 9mm. I've gone down to 3.6gr and 3.8gr for my Shadow 2 and it seems to really like that load. I just got to chrony it to see if it makes min PF.
 
CamPro loads nearly identical to FMJ. If you're looking to make minimum minor PF I would start with 4.0 gr.
 
Thanks everyone for the reply's.
I feel a little more confident about these first 10 loads.
Now if they plow the road and it warms up to -29 we are good to go. :)
 
Above49TH said:
Thanks everyone for the reply's.
I feel a little more confident about these first 10 loads.
Now if they plow the road and it warms up to -29 we are good to go. :)
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Remember, if you're going to chrono that round make sure you note the temperature as Titegroup is temperature sensitive.
 
For Range Loads, I've had really good luck in the 3.8-4.0gr range when using TiteGroup with a 124gr Campro RN. Personally I would not go any lower than 3.8gr for anything, but it's worth mentioning that 3.6gr does cycle my Walther, P226, and USP9 reliably; it just seemed like I was getting some un-burned powder in the action. 4.0gr is pretty much what I've settled on. 1.130" out of a 5" Walther PPQ.
YMMV but I've found this load runs equivalent to the following 9mm range loads I commonly use: 4.3gr of W231 | 5.4gr Accurate No.5 | 4.5gr Unique.
 
Northernfly said:
For Range Loads, I've had really good luck in the 3.8-4.0gr range when using TiteGroup with a 124gr Campro RN. Personally I would not go any lower than 3.8gr for anything, but it's worth mentioning that 3.6gr does cycle my Walther, P226, and USP9 reliably; it just seemed like I was getting some un-burned powder in the action. 4.0gr is pretty much what I've settled on. 1.130" out of a 5" Walther PPQ.
YMMV but I've found this load runs equivalent to the following 9mm range loads I commonly use: 4.3gr of W231 | 5.4gr Accurate No.5 | 4.5gr Unique.
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^^^ yes my experience also^^^^
 
I use TiteGroup and Campro as well. I have a couple of different 9mm pistols - they both like my recipe.

2.8 grains of TG
in my .40 i use 4.0 grains

This reliably cycles the slide in striker fired pistols, lessens recoil just a bit and is great for practice and plinking. I know another fellow who uses a CZ shadow and goes as low as 2.1 for 9mm for reliable slide cycling. Don't know if he has tampered with the gun's recoil system or not.

If you are loading for competition you need to take 'power factor' into consideration. For that you need a chrony so you get muzzle velocity and then can calculate the 'power' of the shot.

Most people think more is better, but in reloading more is most certainly not better.

If you are getting some bashed up cases or primer bulges you need to back off the load.

Cheers and shoot safe!
 
I have been experimenting with titegroup as well lately. I am using 124g Frontier projectiles which are similar to the canpro's.

The gun used was a Tanfoglio 1911 9mm

The temp was -8C

3.8g titegroup
127.8 PF
COAL 1.14
Low 972.9
High 1047
Avg 1031
ES 74.95
SD 22.44

4.0g titegroup

130 PF
Low 1055
High 1099
Avg 1071
ES 43.54
SD 12.60

I have found the 3.8g load to be very soft shooting and will load up several hundred to test for accuracy and speed shooting.
 
4.0grn for 124grn is a soft load. Recoil is far from commercial ammos. I have found it's good accuracy in my shadow1 but sucks in my shadow2. I have about 2000 rounds made with 4.0grn, will probably have to pull them.

I'd suggest a bit more than 4.0grn. More like 4.3grn.
 
TacticalCanuck said:
I use TiteGroup and Campro as well. I have a couple of different 9mm pistols - they both like my recipe.

2.8 grains of TG
in my .40 i use 4.0 grains

This reliably cycles the slide in striker fired pistols, lessens recoil just a bit and is great for practice and plinking. I know another fellow who uses a CZ shadow and goes as low as 2.1 for 9mm for reliable slide cycling. Don't know if he has tampered with the gun's recoil system or not.

If you are loading for competition you need to take 'power factor' into consideration. For that you need a chrony so you get muzzle velocity and then can calculate the 'power' of the shot.

Most people think more is better, but in reloading more is most certainly not better.

If you are getting some bashed up cases or primer bulges you need to back off the load.

Cheers and shoot safe!
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Too much fail in this post.
 
Ganderite said:
Why do you say that? My 1911 9mms are best with 3.0 of TG and the 135 gr bullet. Stock springs.

The point is to try a variety of loads to find out what works, what doesn't and what shoots best.
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1) You're talking about lead, right? Regardless, 135gr is heavier than 124gr, right?

2) Try 2.1gr of Titegroup with a CamPro 124gr bullet and let me know how that goes.

Suggesting a load of 2.1gr-2.8gr of Titegroup underneath a 124gr CamPro to a new reloader is borderline reckless, lol.
 
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NOTE, I have a Lee 9mm four die set and had bullet grip problems with thin Winchester cases. Dies and chambers vary in diameter and older brass springs back more and can effect bullet grip.

I bought a Lee undersize 9mm die that reduces case diameter a few thousandths more to solve this problem.

I also agree with Ganderite and his Titegroup loads and you can find more reduced loads at the link below.

Brian Enos's Forums.
http://forums.brianenos.com/forum/4-general-reloading/

Example below.

9mm 147gr X-Treme light recoil loads
http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/214569-9mm-147gr-x-treme-light-recoil-loads/

Post No.4
"I have used 3.0 grains of titegroup with both bayou 147gr flat nose and 147gr round nose RMR thick plated bullets. COAL @ 1.115 - 1.120. Both loads averaged right around 905 fps out of my Glock 34."
 
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