124 9mm with Titegroup

With the tip about the temp with the chrono and the details about what you guys are loading for has helped sort what pertains to me.

I am glad the first reply did not start with "use the search button"
Because I did and the numbers where all over the place.

All the post were on target and started with a tight grouping.
As they started to spread out the details helped compare apples
to apples and oranges to oranges.

I don't shoot competitively just time to start the next branch of the sport.

My 9mm is a SAM Military that I have shot 115 Blaser brass and PMC.
It was loud for a 9mm and would blacken the side of the brass.

Going up to the next spring gave it a cleaner burn.

May be having more load options will tame the erg to buy another....
 
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Above49TH said:
My first attempt at reloading
When I got my press they had Titegroup on sale also I am starting with that.

See some of the post here say it being a narrow range powder ,not the best for beginners.

But looking for a min. starting load for 124g Campro I find,
Hodgon 3.6 - 4.1gr
Campro 4.1 - 4.4
Lee 4.1 - 4.4

I loaded up 10 at 3.8 and I got to the range and it was snowed in and now it is -40.:bangHead:

Where should I be starting 3.6 or 4.1 for my pistol.
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What Gun are you loading for and are you loading for IPSC or just plinking?

I load Campro 124 gr RN and 3.9 gr of Titegroup for my CZ Shadow 2 for IPSC Production Division. Gives me ~130-131 power factor. Depending on your gun and OAL you can go lower to 3.8 gr and most likely still make PF, but anything lower than that you would be rolling the PF dice.
 
I don't recall anyone suggesting 2.1 for 124 Campros.

The suggestion was to load a broad range (I mentioned 3.0) and see what works.

If the 3.0 does not cycle, I bet Newbie would know that load is NFG.
 
Ganderite said:
I don't recall anyone suggesting 2.1 for 124 Campros.

The suggestion was to load a broad range (I mentioned 3.0) and see what works.

If the 3.0 does not cycle, I bet Newbie would know that load is NFG.
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Why? We all know that reliable data is available for Titegroup, $hit even the newbie knows it...

Above49TH said:
But looking for a min. starting load for 124g Campro I find,
Hodgon 3.6 - 4.1gr
Campro 4.1 - 4.4
Lee 4.1 - 4.4
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So why the !@#$% would he load a "broad" range of 2.1gr-3.0gr (or anywhere between) when all the data staring him in the face is between 3.6gr-4.4gr? Are reduced loads attainable? Yes but suggesting a load that far off the data to a new reloader is foolish.

Honestly, I think some of you have lost your minds and it's affecting your judgement.

P.S. So I guess I was right about it being a lead 135gr bullet eh?
 
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bigedp51 said:
I also agree with Ganderite and his Titegroup loads and you can find more reduced loads at the link below.

Brian Enos's Forums.
http://forums.brianenos.com/forum/4-general-reloading/

Example below.

9mm 147gr X-Treme light recoil loads
http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/214569-9mm-147gr-x-treme-light-recoil-loads/

Post No.4
"I have used 3.0 grains of titegroup with both bayou 147gr flat nose and 147gr round nose RMR thick plated bullets. COAL @ 1.115 - 1.120. Both loads averaged right around 905 fps out of my Glock 34."
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Did you miss the 147gr part? LMAO. It's kinda important.
 
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4n2t0 said:
Why? We all know that reliable data is available for Titegroup, $hit even the newbie knows it...



So why the !@#$% would he load a "broad" range of 2.1gr-3.0gr (or anywhere between) when all the data staring him in the face is between 3.6gr-4.4gr? Are reduced loads attainable? Yes but suggesting a load that far off the data to a new reloader is foolish.

Honestly, I think some of you have lost your minds and it's affecting your judgement.

P.S. So I guess I was right about it being a lead 135gr bullet eh?
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One of the guys loads 3.1 of 231 with 120grn lead.... Cycles flawless in his CZ. He asked me to try some. So I did, didn't cycle in my K100.

Most of the guys load till the gun just cycles. I mean I'm the only guy running 4.0 everybody else is like 3.4,3.8.. Load whatever your gun will cycle.
 
4n2t0 said:
Why? We all know that reliable data is available for Titegroup, $hit even the newbie knows it...



So why the !@#$% would he load a "broad" range of 2.1gr-3.0gr (or anywhere between) when all the data staring him in the face is between 3.6gr-4.4gr? Are reduced loads attainable? Yes but suggesting a load that far off the data to a new reloader is foolish.

Honestly, I think some of you have lost your minds and it's affecting your judgement.

P.S. So I guess I was right about it being a lead 135gr bullet eh?
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The OP asked if he should start at 3.6 or 4.1.

Those of us with experience have said that 4.1 is near max and 3.6 is around the middle and I have pointed out that my tests start at 3.0 and I choose what works best in my pistol. Most like 3.5

If you can add information to the topic, please do.
 
Ganderite said:
The OP asked if he should start at 3.6 or 4.1.

Those of us with experience have said that 4.1 is near max and 3.6 is around the middle and I have pointed out that my tests start at 3.0 and I choose what works best in my pistol. Most like 3.5

If you can add information to the topic, please do.
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I did add information (7th post in this thread):

4n2t0 said:
CamPro loads nearly identical to FMJ. If you're looking to make minimum minor PF I would start with 4.0 gr.
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From what I can tell most of your handgun reloading experience revolves around lead bullets which are a different beast all together.

P.S. You still haven't admitted that the 3.0gr load you were blabbing about earlier was for a 135gr lead bullet.

P.P.S. I'll be loading lead bullets soon and since I don't have a ton of experience with lead I hope you're prepared to answer a lot of my questions.
 
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The difference between jacketed bullets, plated bullets and lead bullets is the pressure at Max.

The drill with any bullet is is to load a variety of loads, very mild to max and see what the gun likes. By "mild" I mean start low enough that the gun won't cycle, so you know you have tested the full spectrum.

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Ganderite. I don't waste my time trying to figure out what loads won't cycle my handguns. I look for reliable loads that will work in all my handguns. As you sort of allude to the main difference between lead and plated/FMJ is the amount of powder required to move the same weight bullet at the same velocity.

I've helped you out, now you can mark that 3.0gr of Titegroup + 124gr CamPro = NFG on your little sheet of paper.
 
4n2t0 said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Ganderite. I don't waste my time trying to figure out what loads won't cycle my handguns. I look for reliable loads that will work in all my handguns. As you sort of allude to the main difference between lead and plated/FMJ is the amount of powder required to move the same weight bullet at the same velocity.

I've helped you out, now you can mark that 3.0gr of Titegroup + 124gr CamPro = NFG on your little sheet of paper.
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Well when I did my research for Campro FMJ avg load was 4.0 grn of 231 so I used that. But when I couldn't get campros I got xmetal which said to use cast lead data. Well when I researched, most people used 4.0 grns. For about the same ish FPS..
 
Trinimon said:
I used to run 4.2gr behind a 124gr Campro. I've drop it down to 4.0gr and seems a good overall load for all my 9mm. I've gone down to 3.6gr and 3.8gr for my Shadow 2 and it seems to really like that load. I just got to chrony it to see if it makes min PF.
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I would echo Trinimon with my experience. I have been shooting 4.2 and 4.3 of Titegroup under Campro 124 grns for some time. Not competing these days I have backed off to 4.0 grns. This is personal preference, my 9 mms really seem to prefer 3.8 grns. My powder, my loads!
 
fdc said:
I would echo Trinimon with my experience. I have been shooting 4.2 and 4.3 of Titegroup under Campro 124 grns for some time. Not competing these days I have backed off to 4.0 grns. This is personal preference, my 9 mms really seem to prefer 3.8 grns. My powder, my loads!
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Congrats on your 1000th post. ^^^^what he says^^^^^
 
fdc said:
I would echo Trinimon with my experience. I have been shooting 4.2 and 4.3 of Titegroup under Campro 124 grns for some time. Not competing these days I have backed off to 4.0 grns. This is personal preference, my 9 mms really seem to prefer 3.8 grns. My powder, my loads!
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The best part of this thread is the idea that I can reduce the load for my Shadow. I'm looking forward to coming up with a new load, that saves powder and may even be more accurate.

But first, I have about 1500 rds of 9mm already loaded to shoot first.
 
I just loaded my first handgun loads today and loaded 3.8 gr Tightgroup with 124 gr Campro HP. Will be testing tomorrow so will let you know. I am loading for a CZ SP01
 
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OkayShooter said:
Well when I did my research for Campro FMJ avg load was 4.0 grn of 231 so I used that. But when I couldn't get campros I got xmetal which said to use cast lead data. Well when I researched, most people used 4.0 grns. For about the same ish FPS..
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What did your chrono show? You should have seen a decent amount of velocity difference between the FMJ like plated CamPro bullets and the Hi-Tek Coated Xmetal bullets. If you're able to post some numbers I'd be extremely interested. I know the coating slows down the bullet a little when compared to lead but it would be interesting to see exactly how much.
 
Ganderite said:
Did you do a plunk test? Your CZ might have a very short throat. Mine does.
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No I did not.....I loaded to a Max COL of 1.155 and as that is what my factory ammo was measuring. Strange thing though....worked great in my CZ. Would not even fire in my Jericho. Firing pin barely touched primer in the Jericho. I would wait over a minute and eject....seemed hard to eject from Jericho. Would load in CZ and worked perfect. Opinions greatly appreciated on this!!!!

I will start a new thread on this if you could kindly respond....slightly perplexed.

As a side note the 3.8 gr of Tightgroup was accurate and VERY mild recoil from the CZ SP01 Shadow
 
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