9mm 115 vs 124 grain, cfe pistol or titgroup

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Seeing whats the preference out there, i see alot of people loading with 124 grain, is there any benefit to loading with 115? Pros and cons?
Also i hear alot of mixed reviews on using the hodgon cfe pistol and the titgroup, notice it takes less titegroup then the cfe, any one have experience with both?
Just looking at pros and cons between 115 to 124 and cfe tg.

Thanks.
 
I'm no expert by any means but from what I understand it depends more on the firearm then personal preference ? Could be wrong...
 
Some will say that the extra mass of the 124gr will help keep things less snappy, some will say that one or the other function better with certain pistols. Some will say that one is more accurate than the other over distance with certain loads.
Not that I disagree with any of these in any way, but personally, I don't notice much of a difference between 124gr and 115gr at the range between my USP and PPQ.

Another salient fact, particularly as it pertains to reloading, is the amount of space in the case when comparing 115gr (more space) with 124gr(less space). This can possibly offer another degree of freedom with certain powders depending on density and or loft, though most people tend to change COL rather than bullet weight for those purposes.
 
I like 124 gn Campos over 4.2 gn of titgroup, works well in my CZ Shadow and my S&W SD9. Tried 115 gn also, found 124 more accurate and had a "better feel" for me. To be fair, I have not tried CFP.
 
JakeB said:
I like 124 gn Campos over 4.2 gn of titgroup, works well in my CZ Shadow and my S&W SD9. Tried 115 gn also, found 124 more accurate and had a "better feel" for me. To be fair, I have not tried CFP.
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How did you end up with the 4.2 load? New to reloading and about to try Titegroup....
 
JakeB said:
I like 124 gn Campos over 4.2 gn of titgroup, works well in my CZ Shadow and my S&W SD9. Tried 115 gn also, found 124 more accurate and had a "better feel" for me. To be fair, I have not tried CFP.
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I too shot most 4.2gr TG behind a 124gr Campro pill. Only late last summer did I switch to 4.0gr TG after I blew through my 4.2gr stash and then down to 3.8gr TG.
 
124 's shoot better in my gun so I use them with 3.8 gr of titegroup. Pick what shoots best in your gun and work up a load that cycles your action and is accurate for your needs.
 
I've tried both bullet weights and never noticed any measurable difference. The pistol doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference either.
 
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

Worked my way up from minimum load of 3.6 gn. I use a Lee Loadmaster, 4.2 is as close as the powder measure disks get to 4.1 gn max. It worked fine but I might also correct myself, I wound up settling at 3.9 gn not 4.2 though I did try 4.2 with good results, I felt 3.9 was safer as my powder measure may vary slightly since it measures by volume not weight. Just use the reloading data calculator, make a few of each from minimum load up to max and try them out at the range. See what cycles your pistol best, what feels best and look for signs of over pressure. If your primer comes out flat then pressure might be too high.
 
Load whatever weight works for you and your firearms. I like the feel of 147gr, so that's all I load.

Titegroup is a fast powder and CFE Pistol is a slow(er) powder. You may notice a difference in feel between the two but since you're just starting out I wouldn't worry about it too much. As you research the topic more thoroughly you'll start to notice a trend of heavy bullets being loaded with fast powders, that combo provides some of the softest feeling loads.

Powders I like in 9mm:

WSF
WST
e3
Clays
Titegroup
CFE Pistol
 
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jimbo14 said:
How did you end up with the 4.2 load? New to reloading and about to try Titegroup....
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Although you should never take anything on the internet as gospel I find the best load information comes from forums like this one. Nothing beats first hand experience. See what others load then confirm that the load you want to try falls within the recommended charge weights provided by the powder manufacturer or a reloading manual.
 
I like the Hodgdon reloading site
I'm loading 124 grain Berrys over 3.9grains of titegroup. Shoots well out of my Colt 1911

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Just started reloading pistol and am using Tightgroup. I started out with 3.5 gr Tightgroup with 124 gr Campro HP. It cycled my CZ 75 SP01 flawless and was accurate. I now have fired a hundred or so of 3.7 gr TG with the same bullet and found it very accurate. Will try more this weekend between 3.7 and 3.9 TG but all will be with 124 gr Campro....I do have some 115 grain projectiles to load but will play with after I get the 124 gr figured out.
 
4n2t0 said:
Although you should never take anything on the internet as gospel I find the best load information comes from forums like this one. Nothing beats first hand experience. See what others load then confirm that the load you want to try falls within the recommended charge weights provided by the powder manufacturer or a reloading manual.
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Thanks for the info.

I chrono'ed 3.8gr of TG with 124 Berry's RN out of my Shadow and it was in the low 1050's. 3.9gr was in the upper 1050's. Not too sure how accurate those measures were because they were using a cheap scale. I'm going to try it myself with my more accurate scale, starting at 3.7gr.
 
I have loaded approximately 5000 115 gr 9mm campro over titegroup. I love it. My powder weights range from 4.2 (any less andi start experiencing malfunctions in my Glock) to 4.9 ( I have a few of these for testing, but I saw no pressure signs at 4.7/4.8 gr of powder) at a seating depth of approximatly 1.100 to 1.110 +/- ( I use moslty just mixed brass). I find these shoot very nicely and are a soft kind of snappy. Fairly accurate and cycle very well. I also get a nice ejection pattern and no malfunctions. I also find titegroup burns fairly clean as well.
 
115grn is 5$ less per 1000 bullets. 124grn seems to offer less recoil, but maybe it's in my head. I use 124grn but it doesn't make much of a difference.

CFE stands for Copper Fouling Eraser. It's a compound in the powder that's supposed to keep copper fouling to a minimum. If you don't have copper fouling with other powders, don't bother with cfe. Titegroup is one of the least expensive powder, and it's very efficient (small charge per round), so it's very easy on the wallet to use TG. It doesn't matter that much though, powder in 9mm isn't really the largest expense.

Overall there's much less difference between the 2 bullets and the 2 powders than you might think. If a recipe works for you, stick with it.
 
if you are loading for certain power factor, then maybe you can consider this:
for non ported bbl. heavier bullets with fast powder - less perceived recoil
lighter bullets with fast powder will be on the snappy side and fast cycling gun
heavy bullets with slow burning powder will be more recoil.
but you can always try to feel the difference, but you need a chrono for this.
 
I'm more interested in accuracy then power. My main 9mm has a ported slide and barrel.
I"m leaning towards the campro 124gr hp. And still deciding on diff powders.
 
Thousands of 115gr over HP38 and Titegroup. Noisy and fast, current load is 4.8 gr Titegroup, 115 gr Campro at 1.125" but also loaded a few hundred at 4.4 gr for comparison.
 
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