You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us

I am glad this thread is going in the right direction again.

I appreciate all the insights on the different AK and T81 features, how they compare to each other and any similarities. The Chinese kept what they wanted of the AK and added or swapped in what they thought was better. I consider their efforts to be a success and the 81 is a superior rifle, IMO.

Drooling over the AK's and other goodies we can't get up here, not really fair to do that to us ;) I agree with the other poster; I would be a lot poorer living in the states too lol
 
While those are nice, comparing a raced out AK with a stock version of another rifle isn't a fair comparison
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But yet, its an option..... A feature.... Can you swap it out for a 'match' type trigger on the t81? Are they even available?. Besides, not all variations of AKs triggers are the same in terms of good/bad.

The AK is a great rifle, nobody is doubting that, but an as-issued t81 is more feature rich than an as issue type 56
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I love the t81 and Cannon wants one REALLY BAD!!!! But, when I read things of this nature my BS meter goes ape-crap off the charts. Please tell me the 'features' the t81 has that my posted AK does not. Its a completely different model, but I see no 'extra features'.

The yugo, Israeli, Finnish and recent production ak12's are not typical of the common AK, they have been improved and have their own plus/minuses.
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And yet..... They are ALL AKs. This here is what Im talking about. You cannot simply state the T81 is 'better' then this/that and include or excluded whatever variant fits your narrative. For petes sakes ... Im an SKS guru, but even I have to admit that the AK has so many nations of origin, variations, and features your damn head will spin. The available T81 has 2.... Fixed and folder. Thats it!!! Again, I would love to own one for the collection, but there has to be some sort of reality check here. An AK variant is..... an AK.


PLEASE LIST THE SPECIAL FEATURES FOUND ON YOUR T81 THAT ARE NOT PRESENT ON THE AK I POSTED.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Or should I go with a PSL? Hmmmmmm


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klaus enuff said:
I am glad this thread is going in the right direction again.

I appreciate all the insights on the different AK and T81 features, how they compare to each other and any similarities. The Chinese kept what they wanted of the AK and added or swapped in what they thought was better. I consider their efforts to be a success and the 81 is a superior rifle, IMO.

Drooling over the AK's and other goodies we can't get up here, not really fair to do that to us ;) I agree with the other poster; I would be a lot poorer living in the states too lol
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#1. I would have to say the t81 is more like the VZ58 then an AK. They also happen to look like an AK but are not.... an AK. Neither is a modification or an advancement based on the AK. Both are their own critters, they just both look like..... an AK.

#2. The T81 was born and died in china. If the T81 is 'superior' etc to the AK.... Why did it not catch on? You know, why wasn't it produced by umpteen nations, and why is it currently not in mass use like..... the AK?

Don't take this wrong, I know you love your t81 and I would also!
 
Loose-Cannon said:
I'm literally seeing no sights to facilitate the angle requirement of launching a grenade.
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Hitzy said:
I can't figure it out either...even if the T slot was the sight, there is no ranging indicated anywhere for grenades.
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Claven2 said:
We only think it's used for that because someone here who supposedly used the gun in China says so. The manual is silent on it, but the grenades themselves have a ladder sight used in conjunction with the rifle somehow.

But nobody seems to know definitively.
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From the pics of the grenades, that seems to be the ticket. One could surmise that it would seem reasonable that the upper horizontal of the rifle sight would need to be sighted to the appropriate range on the grenade ladder, and let 'er rip.

And Claven 2, you seem to have forgotten Mr. Bumse Xiao. He would know definitively, I am sure. As he is banned, it makes it harder for him to spread his wisdom about the Type 81, anymore.:d
 
Anyone have a pic of said grenade and the 'attached' sights? I don't see some sight ladder hanging off of the grenade being feasible. Even with markings on the grenade.... You need a rear reference having a significant height over the standard rear sight. OR, an separate sight set with its own rotating front and rear sights like I linked to. You do NOT shoot these things at the same arc as a typical bullet. Im talking 30 degrees or more here!
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Anyone have a pic of said grenade and the 'attached' sights? I don't see some sight ladder hanging off of the grenade being feasible. Even with markings on the grenade.... You need a rear reference having a significant height over the standard rear sight. You do NOT shoot these things at the same arc as a typical bullet. Im talking 30 degrees or more here!
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It's burried deep in one of the many T81 threads on this site, I do remember seeing it though.
 
This is probably the pic of grenades with integrated flip up sights some are referring to. Not sure if any of these grenades are even the ones used with the T81. Regardless, still don't see how the rear bar can, in anyway, be used in conjunction with a grenade. As mentioned by LC the rear sight needs to higher than the front reference point. For the grenades depicted I'm sure the flip up sight would be considered the rear sight.

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Loose-Cannon said:
#1. I would have to say the t81 is more like the VZ58 then an AK. They also happen to look like an AK but are not.... an AK. Neither is a modification or an advancement based on the AK. Both are their own critters, they just both look like..... an AK.

#2. The T81 was born and died in china. If the T81 is 'superior' etc to the AK.... Why did it not catch on? You know, why wasn't it produced by umpteen nations, and why is it currently not in mass use like..... the AK?

Don't take this wrong, I know you love your t81 and I would also!
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Not taking it wrong, the information and details you are posting about the AK is excellent and contributes to the discussion at hand very nicely.

I would have to disagree about the 81 being closer to the 58, just because they are both AK look a likes as you say. The 81 is a stamped steel AK receiver, lengthened and stiffened with additional bends. The Chinese changed up features as they felt would be improvements.

The 81 never caught on for largely the same reasons the 58 never caught on; the AK is the most dominant rifle in terms of numbers produced out there, it dwarfs any other platform out by a ratio of at least 10 to 1. The AK is everywhere and cheap, that does not make it better than the 81 or 58. Is either rifle a justifiable enough improvement over the AK to convince the umpteen nations producing AKs to stop? Are there better rifles than the AR? Better enough to usurp the AR in production and use?

The 81 came along too late, but for the service life it enjoyed it did just fine. If the Chinese had kept their type 56 AKs in service or production because of any shortcomings of the 81 I might say the AK is superior but the fact is the Chinese ended AK production and went straight 81.
 
Ah ha!

Typically the nose of the grenade is whats used as the front sight reference and the rifles angle will plot it higher or lower on a rear ladder sight marked with distance for each angle.... If that makes sense. It looks like they may have simply adapted a make-shift ladder on the rear of the grenade that flips out... er up rather. This is very interesting because you would assume this ladder hanging out would effect its flight. I do however see that the versions on the right have a 'ladder' that's more of a needle/pin. I would guess this is in effort to reduce adverse effects of the fore mentioned.
 
It would be good to definitively answer the rifle grenade launcher questions.

I must confess I am still trying to figure out how the rear sight bar works in conjunction with the flip up on the grenade fin.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
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But yet, its an option..... A feature.... Can you swap it out for a 'match' type trigger on the t81? Are they even available?. Besides, not all variations of AKs triggers are the same in terms of good/bad.

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I love the t81 and Cannon wants one REALLY BAD!!!! But, when I read things of this nature my BS meter goes ape-crap off the charts. Please tell me the 'features' the t81 has that my posted AK does not. Its a completely different model, but I see no 'extra features'.



And yet..... They are ALL AKs. This here is what Im talking about. You cannot simply state the T81 is 'better' then this/that and include or excluded whatever variant fits your narrative. For petes sakes ... Im an SKS guru, but even I have to admit that the AK has so many nations of origin, variations, and features your damn head will spin. The available T81 has 2.... Fixed and folder. Thats it!!! Again, I would love to own one for the collection, but there has to be some sort of reality check here. An AK variant is..... an AK.


PLEASE LIST THE SPECIAL FEATURES FOUND ON YOUR T81 THAT ARE NOT PRESENT ON THE AK I POSTED.
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I did. Which ak rifles have an ar style selector and an adjustable gas system on the same rifle? Other than the late type 56, which ak has the t81 folding stock as standard?

Also, every t81 has bho. I think only the yugo ak has that. I haven't used a yugo, but I have heard it works like an m1 carbine and the bolt drops when mag is removed, but not sure.

These are great features. It doesn't prove every t81 is better than every ak, but it does prove the t81 comes standard with stuff most ak rifles don't have as standard.
 
klaus enuff said:
Not taking it wrong, the information and details you are posting about the AK is excellent and contributes to the discussion at hand very nicely.

I would have to disagree about the 81 being closer to the 58, just because they are both AK look a likes as you say. The 81 is a stamped steel AK receiver, lengthened and stiffened with additional bends. The Chinese changed up features as they felt would be improvements.

The 81 never caught on for largely the same reasons the 58 never caught on; the AK is the most dominant rifle in terms of numbers produced out there, it dwarfs any other platform out by a ratio of at least 10 to 1. The AK is everywhere and cheap, that does not make it better than the 81 or 58. Is either rifle a justifiable enough improvement over the AK to convince the umpteen nations producing AKs to stop? Are there better rifles than the AR? Better enough to usurp the AR in production and use?

The 81 came along too late, but for the service life it enjoyed it did just fine. If the Chinese had kept their type 56 AKs in service or production because of any shortcomings of the 81 I might say the AK is superior but the fact is the Chinese ended AK production and went straight 81.
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Very nice and well thought out reply.

I understand where your coming from. I would add that perhaps we can say the t81 has 58 and AK features? When I look at the bolt and carrier of the 81, I see mostly VZ58. When I look at the RSB as part of the front trunnion/receiver and not a stand alone component.... I see VZ58. When I look at the gas piston being separated from the bolt/carrier assembly..... I see VZ58.

None of the above characteristics came from the AK, but were however developed in 1958 on the VZ.
 
klaus enuff said:
It would be good to definitively answer the rifle grenade launcher questions.

I must confess I am still trying to figure out how the rear sight bar works in conjunction with the flip up on the grenade fin.
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It doesn't. Lol

The ladder on the grenade appears to be the rear sight, and the front reference is the grenade nose.
 
Ak47 is indeed one of the most prolific rifles in the world.

McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else in the world.

Is Le Big Mac the best burger in the world? I don't think so. ;)
 
Gatehouse said:
Ak47 is indeed one of the most prolific rifles in the world.

McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else in the world.

Is Le Big Mac the best burger in the world? I don't think so. ;)
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Its debatable, I do like me a big Mac ;) back, plenty of people still argue the ak is a better rifle than an m4. A matter of opinion and perspective.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
It doesn't. Lol

The ladder on the grenade appears to be the rear sight, and the front reference is the grenade nose.
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This what I was thinking too, it is the only way that makes sense unless I am not seeing something.

I am almost ready to call the rear sight bar only purpose as just a protector to keep the sight from getting polished up and shining.

Your are right about the 81 sharing some 58 design features. I don't see the similarity in the bolt though, maybe the carriers to an extent.

I mean, the 81 has a rotating bolt closer to the AK and the 58 has a tilting, dropping bolt locking system.
 
Claven2 said:
I did. Which ak rifles have an ar style selector and an adjustable gas system on the same rifle? Other than the late type 56, which ak has the t81 folding stock as standard?

Also, every t81 has bho. I think only the yugo ak has that. I haven't used a yugo, but I have heard it works like an m1 carbine and the bolt drops when mag is removed, but not sure.

These are great features. It doesn't prove every t81 is better than every ak, but it does prove the t81 comes standard with stuff most ak rifles don't have as standard.
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Alrighty, I like it.

So, the t81 has a more ergonomic selector. Not exactly a feature, but rather a different configuration of the same feature, but I'll give ya that.

Gas selector. Ill give you that one to, although I will point out its likely mostly useless other then shutting off the gas to shoot a grenade and my AK happens to shut of the gas automatically when the sight ladder is raised. Does the t81 have that handy feature?

Folding stock. Well heck, mine sure as heck folds! Like the above, is this not simply a preference? What you like may not be what I prefer.... you following me?

How about night sights? My AK has glow in the dark vials that flip up on the sights. Two in the rear and one in front of the front post. Line up three glowing dots and ratta tat tat. Your t81 have this feature?

The bolt hold-open. Any AK that takes standard AK mags can have a BHO...... All you need to do is buy and use a Yugo mag! The BHO is literally a catch on the rear of the magazine follower that acts similar to the sks.
 
I'm definitely getting one. The finish is nicer than I expected.

Just put down my deposit with TI.

Terribly crappy thread BTW, Claven thanks for illuminating the dark, deprived masses. :3
 
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