Wolverine's WK180-C

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redivivus said:
Agree on all fronts re: the Firearms Act, the FRT and RCMP's involvement in interpretation of the law into the FRT and it's subsequent implementation.

To summarize Wolverine's position,

1. This rifle's upper and lower receiver is a reproduction of the AR180B and it meets the OAL and Barrel Length restrictions for NR in the Firearm Act and hence, per Wolverine, an FRT and a formal classification by the RCMP is not required.
2. Wolverine,using their best understanding of the Firearms Act, specifically the definition of Non Restricted and Restricted Firearms, and using precedence of the RCMP awarding NR classification for AR180B derived designs in the recent past, have unilaterally classified this rifle as "Non Restricted".

I foresee four problems with this current situation,

1. There is no precedence for Wolverine to be declared an "expert" in the classification of firearms per the Forearms Act or the Canadian Firearms Program. Rather, the RCMP is the sole responsible party (I believe they frame it as administrator) for classification, licensing, registration (etc etc) per the Act.
2. There is no independent verification or corroboration by an entity recognized by the Firearms Act - that the upper and lower receiver set is an EXACT copy and not a LIKENESS of the AR180B.
3. There is a likelihood that the RCMP may come to a different conclusion on the classification of the rifle as the gas system is NOT THE SAME as an AR180B and hence it is NOT the same gun and hence the precedence of awarding NR classification cannot be assumed. The RCMP may find the operation like <insert prohibited/ restricted gun name here> and decide NOT to give it a NR classification. Precedence is not guaranteed, and the RCMP may wish to apply it differently in this case. The RCMP have a very strong enabler in the act through one the definitions of a Restricted firearm: "a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm".

Yes, I agree that the Laws are imperfect, but we have to abide by them. So, I believe that IF one is stopped and questioned with this rifle, be prepared for an impounded rifle, potential charges, and a certain legal fight as it would come down to Wolverine's interpretation of the law vs. the RCMPs. Wolverine's position may (perhaps should ?) win based on the way the Act defines NR but it will be messy, protracted and potentially disastrous. I believe we are in uncharted waters here.

Are there any rifles/ pistols in Canada that are currently sold without an FRT ? I guess I am looking for precedence for "sale and possession of firearms without an FRT" as that is the only other strong argument that can be made to support Wolverine's interpretation and unilateral classification - if challenged.
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Not looking for a fight here, but lets be clear.
I have not classified the WK180-C as non restricted, I do not need to. I have stated that the WK180-C meets all the criteria for a non restricted firearm.

There are dozens if not hundreds of custom bolt action rifles sold with out an FRT every year.

The point is that if someone wanted to import them an FRT would be required in order to get an import Cert, this is not a legal requirement just Government policy.
 
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Not looking for a fight here, but lets be clear.
I have not classified the WK180-C as non restricted, I do not need to. I have stated that the WK180-C meets all the criteria for a non restricted firearm.

There are dozens if not hundreds of custom bolt action rifles sold with out an FRT every year.

The point is that if someone wanted to import them an FRT would be required in order to get an import Cert, this is not a legal requirement just Government policy.
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Bingo.
 
Gas system length has nothing to do with its NR status.
The slr bodies, for example, can have any gas length..they are still NR rifles.
 
Looks great....if all goes as planned, AR, Mini14, T97 etc prices should go down. As they should in order to compete for our dollars.
I love it, I will wait for the 7.62x39mm version though. And see how this all plays out.
 
First of all; props to Wolverine Supplies for bringing the market a new non restricted rifle. Maybe there are a lot of different caliber options that can be explored later. Way to go Wolverine!

Secondly, I can’t believe how many people are ignorant of the Firearms Act. Blows my mind.
 
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Not looking for a fight here, but lets be clear.
I have not classified the WK180-C as non restricted, I do not need to. I have stated that the WK180-C meets all the criteria for a non restricted firearm.

There are dozens if not hundreds of custom bolt action rifles sold with out an FRT every year.

The point is that if someone wanted to import them an FRT would be required in order to get an import Cert, this is not a legal requirement just Government policy.
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Yes but also to be fair how many bolt rifles are restricted or prohibited. The WK108-C is a semi auto competing for space in the market to fill a space the AR15 can't in non restricted form and others haven't due to cost. Big difference and more focus will be given it by the RCMP as these are the rifles the Anti's (who have the Government's ear) and the government wants targeted. They will come for the bolt actions later. But again just playing Devils advocate. How many other "black"semis have been marketed and produced without FRT#?
 
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ljones said:
Yes but also to be fair how many bolt rifles are restricted or prohibited. The WK108-C is a semi auto competing for space in the market to fill a space the AR15 can't in non restricted form and others haven't due to cost. Big difference and more focus will be given it by the RCMP as these are the rifles the government wants targeted. They will come for the bolt actions later. But again just playing Devils advocate. How many other "black"semis have been marketed and produced without FRT?
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The point is that we can not import a firearm with out an Import Cert and they require an FRT before issuing that. I had the CZ958 rifle designed and I had a signed contract for 5,000 units. I fought tooth and nail for an import Cert but no way was one going to be issued until I had an FRT. the RCMP took three years to issue an FRT by that time CZ did not have the factory space to produce the CZ 958.

Recently Canadian designed and manufactured semi auto firearms have shown a resemblance to previously restricted or prohibited firearms so common sense would dictate a cautious approach and approval first, resulting in an FRT.

The WK180-C is a copy of an approved non-restricted rifle, MANUFACTURED in Canada, the fact she is a semi auto not a bolt action is irrelevant, we don,t need an import cert to bring her here from Ontario, hence no requirement for an FRT first.
 
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Awesome!!! Lots of exciting things happening for us gun lovers. Thanks Wolverine & Kodiak for all the hard work put into this.
 
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