Wolverine's WK180-C

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Mr Wolverine said:
I have no idea, why not ask him? Could be when I go to export 2,000 units I will be dennied an export permit until I have an FRT? That would be ironic !

Anyway I am waiting for answers from you to my previous reply to your last post.
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Which one sorry. Thought I had replied. But regardless I have asked my questions. What will happen will happen. I hope it all works out as this is a great rifle. Can't wait to get mine. Let me know when mine is ready to ship. Cheers
 
ljones said:
Well I have asked if they will be receiving the FRT before we get them and was made to feel an idiot for asking. Go figure. But no definite answer from them if yes or no.
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Because only the rcmp would be able to answer that... they don't give a time line.

Wolverine isn't waiting. If ithe frt is out before the guns are made, then yes. If it isn't then no.
 
ljones said:
Which one sorry. Thought I had replied. But regardless I have asked my questions. What will happen will happen. I hope it all works out as this is a great rifle. Can't wait to get mine. Let me know when mine is ready to ship. Cheers
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No worries, this is going so fast I can't keep up, post 399. I may apear a bit sharp but this has been a long day, a great day but a long day.
 
fenceline said:
Because only the rcmp would be able to answer that... they don't give a time line.

Wolverine isn't waiting. If ithe frt is out before the guns are made, then yes. If it isn't then no.
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But if it is such a for sure slam dunk to be approved why should it take too long? Should just be a formality right if all the stars are aligned with this model for non restricted. Again I hope it is.
 
Hey Mr. Wolverine, will the rifles look as pictured? I noticed the rifle in the video had a shorter forend than the one in the photo.
 
I would like to know if they will ever make them with a dust cover to close that gaping slit.

Ever?
 
oddball_ted said:
Good comment Mr Wolverine. Most mounties I've met over the years are decent people (my wife works as a civi with the mounties) and most rolled their eyes at government firearms laws/rules when I spoke to them about it. The Canadian chiefs of police anti-gun schmucks are the ones that play a political game supporting their positions with fear mongering, not facts.
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nice.
 
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ljones said:
But if it is such a for sure slam dunk to be approved why should it take too long? Should just be a formality right if all the stars are aligned with this model for non restricted. Again I hope it is.
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Because the firearms lab puts new submissions in a closet for a year before they even look at them. It's almost like prior restraint for guns if the govt gets to approve or deny every new product before it can be sold. That's why they don't have that power.
 
Less than 12 hours into the curtain dropping we have people whining, buying into pre-orders they swore they would never do again, and amassing thousands of dollars in parts for a gun that is still being developed. Never change CGN.
 
LexInfidelis said:
Hey Mr. Wolverine, will the rifles look as pictured? I noticed the rifle in the video had a shorter forend than the one in the photo.
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No not exactly. This thread has gone berserk, I will try and create a questions and answers summary ASAP. Production rifles will have a mid length gas system and a new matching made by Kodiak hand guard
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Who have you been talking to? Do you want the FRT first? :) or will you be happy with just a rifle
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I haven't spoken to anyone.. I'm just rolling my weapon stats on my "Firearms Randomness Table (FRT)" for rifles

You play with a 20 sided die...

For classification:
1-16:NR
17-18: R
19: Prohib
20: Prohib BUT you get grandfathered in.

Action:
1-10: Bolt
11-15: Semi
16-17: Pump
18: Lever
19: break
20: Auto

Caliber:
1-5: 22LR
6-10: .223rem
11: .224valk
12-13: 30-06
14: .300AAC
15: 7.62x39
16: 7.62x54R
17-18: .308win
19:6.5Gr
20: .50bmg

Barrel:
1-5: 22"
6-10: 20"
11-13": 18.5"
14-15: 16"
16-17: 12.5
18: 10.5"
19: 7.5"
20: 18.5" with integrated compensator in OAL

Sights:
1-5: None
6-10: Integrated BUS
11-15: Magpul BUIS
16-17: Red dot
18:4-12x40
19:6-18x50
20:1/3/9x Specter
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Please quote chapter and verse which states: "the RCMP is the ONLY authority in this land who can proclaim the rifle to be Non Restricted" Please don't tell me I read it on the internet so it has to be true, I need to know what section of the Criminal Code or regulations you are quoting?

I always understood the RCMP enforce the Law that our elected Government makes, I don't see any section in the CC that allows the RCMP discretion in firearms classification.
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I don't see any law or precedence that states individuals can claim their own classification ad-hoc especially for a semi-automatic firearm with a unclear lineage. Please do share the relevant sections and the successful court challenges that you have researched that indicate that the RCMP is not administering the Firearms Act through the CFP and that this activity does not fall under their jurisdiction. I assume you have run this through legal counsel, so please do share the gap analysis between the law and your interpretation of it's applicability in this instance. This will be handy to the questions of classification that are sure to follow when someone gets stopped and queried: "But Officer, yes it's not on the FRT but Wolverine Supplies says it SHOULD be Non Restricted. And here is the post on CGN that proves it. Give them a call they will clear it up for you."

In short, suggest that you stop clouding the matter with suggestions and interpretations and PROVE that this rifle is Non Restricted in the eyes of the law and that the buyer is not taking on any additional risk or liability through it's purchase and use through what they "think" (as that is what they inferred from the manufacturer) is a Non Restricted rifle. A simple question that should have a simple answer.

In the meantime, bingo on boys - let's hope one of us does not need the practice. I'm going to watch Episode 6 of Mr. Mercedes. The game is afoot!
 
ljones said:
But if it is such a for sure slam dunk to be approved why should it take too long? Should just be a formality right if all the stars are aligned with this model for non restricted. Again I hope it is.
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No reason it should, it just does. Why does it take months to renew an RPAL when the information in CPIC is updated daily? Why did it take months for my wife’s RPAL to be approved and arrive when she did the course a few years ago with a bunch of other Mounties? Meanwhile, she continued to carry her prohibited duty firearm at work everyday.

Why? Because Government!

PS Great job Wolverine!
 
tharkhold said:
I haven't spoken to anyone.. I'm just rolling my weapon stats on my "Firearms Randomness Table (FRT)" for rifles

You play with a 20 sided die...

For classification:
1-16:NR
17-18: R
19: Prohib
20: Prohib BUT you get grandfathered in.

Action:
1-10: Bolt
11-15: Semi
16-17: Pump
18: Lever
19: break
20: Auto

Caliber:
1-5: 22LR
6-10: .223rem
11: .224valk
12-13: 30-06
14: .300AAC
15: 7.62x39
16: 7.62x54R
17-18: .308win
19:6.5Gr
20: .50

Barrel:
1-5: 22"
6-10: 20"
11-13": 18.5"
14-15: 16"
16-17: 12.5
18: 10.5"
19: 7.5"
20: 18.5" with integrated compensator in OAL

Sights:
1-5: None
6-10: Integrated BUS
11-15: Magpul BUIS
16-17: Red dot
18:4-12x40
19:6-18x50
20:1/3/9x Specter
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I have to confess you have lost me here! I must be missing something.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
I have to confess you have lost me here! I must be missing something.
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It’s a reference to role playing games like dungeons and dragons ...... you roll a dice and get a random result. They have a twenty sided die as well as the six sided dice that most of us are more familiar with from board games etc.


ie. game of chance
 
redivivus said:
I don't see any law or precedence that states individuals can claim their own classification ad-hoc especially for a semi-automatic firearm with a unclear lineage. Please do share the relevant sections and the successful court challenges that you have researched that indicate that the RCMP is not administering the Firearms Act through the CFP and that this activity does not fall under their jurisdiction. I assume you have run this through legal counsel, so please do share the gap analysis between the law and your interpretation of it's applicability in this instance. This will be handy to the questions of classification that are sure to follow when someone gets stopped and queried: "But Officer, yes it's not on the FRT but Wolverine Supplies says it is Non Restricted. And here is the post on CGN that proves it. Give them a call they will clear it up for you."

In short, suggest that you stop clouding the matter with suggestions and interpretations and PROVE that this rifle is Non Restricted in the eyes of the law and that the buyer is not taking on any additional risk or liability through it's purchase and use through what they "think" (as that is what they inferred from the manufacturer) is a Non Restricted rifle. A simple question that should have a simple answer.

In the meantime, bingo on boys - let's hope one of us does not need the practice. I'm going to watch Episode 6 of Mr. Mercedes. The game is afoot!
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Have we really gotten to the point where we are so comfortable being governed that someone has to prove the government says it’s ok before we can do something? How about the converse - show me that it’s illegal, otherwise let’s be free? As noted, there are custom bolt guns made everyday that don’t need an FRT. As I recall from the RPAL course, if a gun does not have restricted features, and is not specifically named (or a variant of a named firearm) it is non-restricted.
 
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