is an antique worth the price for unrestricted carry?

Deuce-deuce said:
Care to quantify what it is you consider to be misinformation?
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How about this. YOU go down to the Antique Forum, and familiarize YOURself with what the actual laws are, and then answer your own question?
Just like in elementary school, you won't learn anything unless you do your own homework...

Still waiting for the write-up regarding the Antique carry in the bush with the RCMP/CO? Where did you read it? When?

R.
 
Rman said:
How about this. YOU go down to the Antique Forum, and familiarize YOURself with what the actual laws are, and then answer your own question?
Just like in elementary school, you won't learn anything unless you do your own homework...

Still waiting for the write-up regarding the Antique carry in the bush with the RCMP/CO? Where did you read it? When?

R.
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This past fall was the occurrence, CO asked whether I had papers for the sidearm I was carrying. I was carrying "open" on a horseback hunt. My answer to him was yes I have, and proceeded to pass him my RCMP letter stating it was Antique... (so) just like a couple others have stated, if you carry your antique, carry your paperwork and there will be no problem. Papers were passed back to me & a curiosity conversation about what my revolver was went on (CO's typically are hunters and shooters themselves, they're interested in guns and what you have just as much as the rest of us) They were great guys far as I'm concerned.

Anyway. The CO's in regions somebody would wish to carry (anything) are plenty versed with protocol to ask for permits if they see someone carrying. Those very regions and districts typically have active trappers and/or other personell who-do have actual ATC's for sidearms in the bush so them seeing you with one won't lead to this face-down in the dirt BS that keeps coming up; they're going to ask you for your permit/paperwork professionally. If you haven't got it, or are carrying without, obviously you're looking for trouble and the outcome could be different.

Point is, go prepared and keep your head on, don't give anybody a reason to raise concern by what you're doing and there will be no issues... (not in the backcountry/wilderness anyway, not where the Officers are accustomed to ATC's and carry personell in their areas) There, where there's reason to carry, you won't have problems with your Antique. But again, I'll echo my statement on how ridiculous it is that all an ordinary guy has for an option is Antique; current ATC's really should be ammended for the rest of us to carry modern as well just like guides & so forth are able to. (Some of us anyway, are in areas those very people are hunting/working side by side so to speak and within proximity of the areas we-are too... totally stupid the modern permits are restricted so tightly to only profession-based personell
 
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Rman said:
How about this. YOU go down to the Antique Forum, and familiarize YOURself with what the actual laws are, and then answer your own question?
Just like in elementary school, you won't learn anything unless you do your own homework...

Still waiting for the write-up regarding the Antique carry in the bush with the RCMP/CO? Where did you read it? When?

R.
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I’m well aware of the laws... I’m simply asking you to quantify your statement. It seems you can’t...
 
Chris Caron said:
In the letter from the RCMP posted by RRH.01 it clearly states that the "antique firearm" is indeed not legally considered to be a firearm at all.
It also states that it can be possessed without a license or a registration certificate.

However, it does require the owner to store the antique as though it were a firearm, per the RCMP storage regulations.

I'm no lawyer, but I can read, so to me this means carry it wherever you want. Same status as an air pistol with muzzle velocity under 500 fps, not a firearm.
If you use it like weapon, you will get charged as such. Just like an air pistol.

Fire retardant jump suit deployed.
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It is still a firearm under Section 2 of the Criminal Code.

It isn't a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act.
 
Meroh said:
Not so. It is still a hand-gun, antique status or not. You would still need to have a carry permit, but you would not need to have it registered. I believe it would be legal to carry it empty, but you better only fire it a legal pistol range.

Don't believe me? Ask your local cops; call the CFO.

Do it, get caught, lose it, lose the rest of your guns, and in today's gun climate, likely go to jail.
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That is some terrible advice you believe in.

A permit for what? From whom?
 
Cameron SS said:
Except that classification is based on type. All handguns are restricted by default, barrel length and action type may make it prohib.

Nothin in the s 84.3 exemption exempts antiques from s2 or s84 definitions. Being antique doesnt exempt it from class, and antique is not a class. If it was there would be an antique license.

Antiques regardless of class, are exempt from a few requirements, and thats it.

Still unlawful to possess concealed or for a dangerous purpose...
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All handguns... that aren't antiques... are restricted or prohibited.

Antiques are not regulated by the firearms act.

Licencing is controlled by the firearms act.

Antiques... because not regulated by the Firearms act... do not require licencing.

You are right... 84 (3) does not exempt antiques from section 2, but 84 (3) does exempt antiques from other sections... such as licencing.

Which is what i posted before... regarding concealed and dangerous purpose. Go back and read it.
 
Cameron SS said:
you should check your facts and sources before posting.


Also incorrect.

A firearm can be both restricted or prohibited AND a antique. Take a look at section 84(3). Antiques are only exempt from SOME of the criminal code requirements re license ATT, possession at place, etc. But it is still a firearm, and if a handgun still restricted.
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If it is prohibited... it isn't antique anymore because now the firearms act is in play.

Can't be both. But can be altered to become prohibited if it falls out of spec with what makes it antique.

You are walking down two paths in the law... trying to apply two things at once.
 
legal debates on a Canadian Gun Forum is like watching the Special Olympics.
i can probably just leave that like it is and carry on, yes?
interesting conversation, well worth the price of admission.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Handgun most certainly is a legal term... you just don't know that.

Further more, the antiques in question usually meet the definition of restricted or more commonly prohibited.

With regards to the op. No it's not worth it. Get a 12 gauge and be done with it.
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You are wrong on a number of levels. A non restricted firearm can be owned only by a person with a firearms incense. An antique can be owned by anyone with or without a PAL. So says my letter from the RCMP. The restrictions regarding storage and transportation still apply or so says my letter from the RCMP.

You can carry it loaded in the bush or so says the CFO for BC. My Great Grand dads New Navy 41 Long Colt will reside in a chest rig when I am out fishing discretely covered by a light jacket.

Fenceline you are spot on.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
You are wrong on a number of levels. A non restricted firearm can be owned only by a person with a firearms incense. An antique can be owned by anyone with or without a PAL. So says my letter from the RCMP. The restrictions regarding storage and transportation still apply or so says my letter from the RCMP.

You can carry it loaded in the bush or so says the CFO for BC. My Great Grand dads New Navy 41 Long Colt will reside in a chest rig when I am out fishing discretely covered by a light jacket.

Fenceline you are spot on.

Take Care

Bob
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I'm not sure where you think I'm wrong... I'm aware the there is no license or registration needed for an antique.

I'm also aware of the storage and transport laws...

It seems you aren't aware of the laws regarding concealing a firearm...

next.
 
"Antique status" is a loophole that apparently isn't all it's cracked up to be. 'Cause one sure doesn't hear anything(good or bad) 'bout anyone shooting one outside a range. Gray area, at best.
Guess nobody wants to risk their 5 grand investment finding out the hard way. May be legal, but it could cost you plenty in legal fees proving your innocence.
Q: You know what you call a LEO or CO who knows all the laws, rules, and regulations? A: A lawyer, who specializing in firearm's law.
 
trebor2880 said:
"Antique status" is a loophole that apparently isn't all it's cracked up to be. 'Cause one sure doesn't hear anything(good or bad) 'bout anyone shooting one outside a range. Gray area, at best.
Guess nobody wants to risk their 5 grand investment finding out the hard way. May be legal, but it could cost you plenty in legal fees proving your innocence.
Q: You know what you call a LEO or CO who knows all the laws, rules, and regulations? A: A lawyer, who specializing in firearm's law.
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It isn't a loop hole. It is an outright exemption to the firearms act as written in the firearms act.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
I'm not sure where you think I'm wrong... I'm aware the there is no license or registration needed for an antique.

I'm also aware of the storage and transport laws...

It seems you aren't aware of the laws regarding concealing a firearm...

next.
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You posted this: "Further more, the antiques in question usually meet the definition of restricted or more commonly prohibited. " Which is wrong. Your words not mine. An antique is neither.

As to concealed carry. As the CFO pointed out use discretion.

If you don't own an antique Why so concerned? Those of us who do and find themselves enjoying the great outdoors with four legged furry fellows and silent large kitty cats can make our own decisions. But thanks for your concerns.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
You posted this: "Further more, the antiques in question usually meet the definition of restricted or more commonly prohibited. " Which is wrong. Your words not mine. An antique is neither.

As to concealed carry. As the CFO pointed out use discretion.

If you don't own an antique Why so concerned? Those of us who do and find themselves enjoying the great outdoors with four legged furry fellows and silent large kitty cats can make our own decisions. But thanks for your concerns.

Take Care

Bob
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Bob,
I also live in northern bc... guess what? I've done my time in the bush. My 870 has more flight time than 99% of people... news flash. If you're serious about animal defense get the right tool for the job. An old antiquated design (that was known for poor function at the time!) firing an underpowered cartridge ain't it.

You're correct I did say that.... look it up it's true. But as fence line has pointed out it can't be both. I stand corrected.... that doesn't mean a misguided leo isn't going to make the same mistake.

Oh... and you really should look up the laws regarding concealing a FIREARM...

And just for the record I do own and use antique firearms.
 
Agreed. I intend to visit both the RCMP and CO offices here in Terrace to ensure we all are on the same page. The local RCMP are pretty much up to date on the gun regs. The local Fed Fishery and CO's not so much.

You are right of course on the shotgun vs 41LC BUT as you know the shotgun may not be in hand when you need it. I tend to have both. 825fps and 195 gr bullet is well beyond pellet gun performance and will do well for everything but the larger Browns. I also have the option of getting a carry permit for bush carry. A 45 Colt would be one of my choices under a Carry Permit. The Antique route does work with the right revolver/caliber.

Take Care

Bob
 
Mr. Friendly said:
thinking bush...like most of us probably have.

...and FIGHT!

no really, who here has an antique and carries when they hunt or hike?

is such an old gun still trustworthy to shoot and be reliable? can they be restored while keeping their non-restricted status?
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This is a fun thread...

To answer your questions...

Lots of guys claim they carry antiques in the bush. If you're in bc I think it's illegal to hunt with more than one gun and it's definitely illegal to hunt with a handgun..

I'm yet to meet an antique gun I'd trust 100% and that includes colts, webleys etc.

Yes, they can be restored and even have the caliber changed.
 
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