is an antique worth the price for unrestricted carry?

Justins1877 said:
I’m quite sure you’re* attempting to get me into some internet arguement, which is not going to happen. I suggest you look at the CC and firearms act again specifically regarding antiques before telling others their wrong. Everyone’s an internet lawyer though I spose’.
I’ll get my info from source, if you don’t mind. No court I know of recognizes “Cameron SS” (or on CGN for that matter) as an authority expert in the subject on laws cercerning the topic at hand.

Have a good day.
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You are absolutely right about Cameron not being recognized in court. Please do refer to the law, as it has been posted many times.

Not sure why you want me to read the Firearms act again. The only mention of antiques in the Firearms Act is with regards to employees of museums, which I am pretty sure isn't relevant to our discussion. But then you have read the firearms act so I am sure you already knew that.

At the risk of belaboring the point, what source precisely do you get your info from that directly disputes or contradicts the criminal code?

I am not looking to suck you into an argument. The question was asked. I offered an opinion and cited the relevant law that supports it. If you are going to disagree, please kindly provide your authoritative references so I can take a look.
 
There’s certainly a lot of conjecture here trying to interpret the fine parts of the law concerning antique firearms specifically antique handguns. Judges have a difficult enough time trying to interpret the laws so it’s no wonder things get confusing here.

I have talked to a CO and a LEO on separate occasions and they both were totally unaware about the legality of these but were enlightened after looking at all the antique firearms paperwork I had with me. If I hadn’t been carrying the paperwork the outcome would have been totally different.

I carry a Webley when I’m in the Bush and hunt with it but I’m aware of the restrictions that will keep me out of trouble. Right now I’m boiling maple sap in the bush and have my Webley with me and use it for target practice and can even hunt small game with it for the few species that have an open season now.

I’m in Ontario so can hunt small game with an antique handgun at certain times but there are restrictions that I must be aware of. If there is a large game season open, I have to leave the antique at home as the large game season specifically states which firearm can be used for this large game. As well, in the archery season for large game, no other type of firearm is permitted to be carried so it stays at home then as well.

Of course concealment is not allowed so inside a jacket on a rainy day is out as well. There are certainly lots of things to consider but I carry in the bush because I can and carry the paperwork to cover my ass.
 
I don't own an antique pistol.
Would I like to...Yes.
Is it "worth" it?? Silly question as it is entirely the buyers perception.
Also speaks more to the buyers wealth status than anything else...if being able to spend ~$5k on a trinket is of no consequence than why wouldn't you own a antique pistol or 3??

I would like to own one so I could enjoy plinking and informal shooting outside of a range.
How cool it would be to wear a single action pistol and plink in the bush with it..... A LOT :)

Would I carry one for animal protection or other serious use...NO.
The pistol would surely be chambered in a fairly anemic cartridge.....hardly effective enough to defend myself with...yes its better than nothing as anything that goes bang is but not what I would purposely use for it.

I have a few friends with antique pistols that are very cool... one of them an 1873 Colt in 450boxer....original gun in exc cond.....I'm totally envious of his 1873 vs my many 1873's that are locked up and never see the light of day outside of a range.

The cost of procuring a shooting quality antique pistol is prohibitive to me so aint gonna happen.
 
Look at it this way - wilderness carry is only for those who can afford it :/ More discrimination by social status.

Again - a c96 is definitely chambered for a cartridge suifficient for protection against any animal in Canada, polar bears included.
 
KotKotofeich said:
Look at it this way - wilderness carry is only for those who can afford it :/ More discrimination by social status.

Again - a c96 is definitely chambered for a cartridge suifficient for protection against any animal in Canada, polar bears included.
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Come on. If you live in BC and get a Miners License and gold pan for a living, meager as it maybe, you can acquire a Wilderness Permit if you feel you have a need, Anyone who works in the bush, several others on this board have them, can acquire one if there is a need.. In Alberta I know of at least one former well site inspector working for a private company had one. It has nothing to do with social status. Hell if my Great grand dad had not bought my old Colt I sure would not have one. Priot to just recently I assumed the value of the old gun was around $30. MY 'smith now says anywhere from $1,500 - $2,500. The gun will go to one of my sons when I am done with it.

There are a number of the old cartridges that fell by the way side that were and remain quite capable. Some more than others. Most were designed for very close protection which is really all one would want one for if you are concerned about personal protection in the bush. For me, the plinking action is my primary concern. That and not being shot by some young scared CO who will see me with a handgun on my belt due to the open carry requirement, which incidentally is quite dumb.

Take Care

Bob
 
KotKotofeich said:
Look at it this way - wilderness carry is only for those who can afford it :/ More discrimination by social status.

Again - a c96 is definitely chambered for a cartridge suifficient for protection against any animal in Canada, polar bears included.
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Last time I checked, I didn't see too many people getting rich off pelts harvested from the trap line.

By the same token, I don't see many poorly people skipping the grocery store and hunting their meat as a low cost alternative.

Gun ownership in general is already a privilege of those with at least modest means. (note that I use the word privilege only in relation to actually affording the gun them self, as opposed to the universal RIGHT to not be barred from legal ownership).
 
Any of those wilderness carry permits are going to be _geographically_ limited, and you have to show a significant income from that activity. I was specifically talking about wilderness carry of an antique that you can carry anywhere where it's not specifically prohibited.

I think you got my point - it's an additional barrier to carry. The general financial barrier to get a gun in Canada is less than 1k (training, licensing, shooting club, norc handgun) and no carry. If you want to simply enjoy the outdoors and be able to protect yourself - you better be able to afford an antique.
 
The current situation with respect to use of deemed and prescribed antique handguns was not intended when the legislation and regulations were enacted.
Current prices for shootable antiques are dramatically inflated.
I would suggest it is a matter of time before the Gov't becomes officially aware that there are folks packing iron, makes a minor change or two, and puts an end to the practice.
When that happens there will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the inflated prices will collapse. The biggest losers will be those who paid outrageous prices for altered guns, whose antique collectible values were destroyed by alterations.
 
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KotKotofeich said:
Any of those wilderness carry permits are going to be _geographically_ limited, and you have to show a significant income from that activity. I was specifically talking about wilderness carry of an antique that you can carry anywhere where it's not specifically prohibited.

I think you got my point - it's an additional barrier to carry. The general financial barrier to get a gun in Canada is less than 1k (training, licensing, shooting club, norc handgun) and no carry. If you want to simply enjoy the outdoors and be able to protect yourself - you better be able to afford an antique.
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When I applied for my last permit there was no income requirement. There was a proficiency requirement but that was pretty much it. I had to send along a copy of my Free Miners License as well. IF someone was going to a remote location where large bears were common and the bush thick then IF the someone was smart he would ensure he had proper protection with him. I get the bear spray but the bears may not. At very close range a heavy revolver/pistol might be a good idea to have at hand. I suspect those "someones" know that and do. From my exposure to officers in the field in areas where "remote" would be the operative word, the common sense factor might, more often be invoked. The three monkeys do live still in our society.

Take Care

Bob
ps I do not expect anything good is about to fall on us from the current Federal Gov't led by Mr. Dress Up and his band of social engineers.
 
Cameron SS said:
I honestly don't hold out much hope for anything good either, but not getting anything bad is a great start.
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The Liberals are about to announce there amendments to the Firearms Act. It was supposed to have been released by now. I would not be surprised if they are re-writing rules regarding the AR 15 platform given the events in Florida. You can bet there will be more restrictions, why re-write the rules if you are not going to make them more stringent? Not making any changes would be the best we can hope for under Mr. Dress Up. I hold little hope for that to be the case.

Take Care

Bob
 
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