is an antique worth the price for unrestricted carry?

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no really, who here has an antique and carries when they hunt or hike?

is such an old gun still trustworthy to shoot and be reliable? can they be restored while keeping their non-restricted status?
 
kamlooky said:
A hand gun labelled an antique is still a hand gun.
I sure wouldn't wish to be caught by a CO, RCMP or the like with one.
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No doubt, but it isnt a restricted handgun. Its not too bad, use your manners and carry your paperwork with it at all times and youll be fine.

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kamlooky said:
A hand gun labelled an antique is still a hand gun.
I sure wouldn't wish to be caught by a CO, RCMP or the like with one.
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"hand gun" is not a legal term.

There are 4 basic types of firearms:

1) Prohibited

2) Restricted

3) Non-Restricted

4) Antique

An Antique rifle and an antique pistol are in the exact same category and have the same legal status.
 
I’d think it would be worth it, as stated have your paperwork with you and don’t be an ####### if dealing with a co or cop. I’d love to have an antique pistol to carry with me in the bush.
 
canmic said:
"hand gun" is not a legal term.

There are 4 basic types of firearms:

1) Prohibited

2) Restricted

3) Non-Restricted

4) Antique

An Antique rifle and an antique pistol are in the exact same category and have the same legal status.
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Handgun most certainly is a legal term... you just don't know that.

Further more, the antiques in question usually meet the definition of restricted or more commonly prohibited.

With regards to the op. No it's not worth it. Get a 12 gauge and be done with it.
 
canmic said:
"hand gun" is not a legal term.

There are 4 basic types of firearms:

1) Prohibited

2) Restricted

3) Non-Restricted

4) Antique

An Antique rifle and an antique pistol are in the exact same category and have the same legal status.
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Actually "handgun" is a legal term used in the firearms act.

It isn't a classification however.

And... the classification of firearms are actually...

Non Restricted
Restricted
Prohibited
Antique
CC2 / Section 84 (3) exempt
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Handgun most certainly is a legal term... you just don't know that.

Further more, the antiques in question usually meet the definition of restricted or more commonly prohibited.

With regards to the op. No it's not worth it. Get a 12 gauge and be done with it.
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If it is restricted or prohibited... it isn't an antique under the act. It is one of the three... but not 2 or more.
 
fenceline said:
If it is restricted or prohibited... it isn't an antique under the act. It is one of the three... but not 2 or more.
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So one over rides the other? I had a conversation with somebody at the lab years ago... they explained it differently. The "antique " means it's exempt from pal and registration but it defaults to the definition of nonantique if things get legal. Like someone robs the local 7-11 with a webley mk1. Possession of a prohibited firearm, no?
 
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Like in this image.... it says regulations DO apply... bla bla

Iirc there are no specific storage regs for antiques. Only transport.

So I tend to think it defaults the other way...
 
Deuce-deuce said:
So one over rides the other? I had a conversation with somebody at the lab years ago... they explained it differently. The "antique " means it's exempt from pal and registration but it defaults to the definition of nonantique if things get legal. Like someone robs the local 7-11 with a webley mk1. Possession of a prohibited firearm, no?
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No... if a gun meets the parameters of being an antique, then it is an antique.

If it does not meet the parameters of being an antique, and it is a handgun, then it is prohibited or restricted.

An Antique is still a firearm under Section 2 of the Criminal Code. Read section 84(3) of the Criminal Code.

84(1) Criminal Code
antique firearm means
(a) any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition, or
(b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm; (arme à feu historique)

84(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm;

Section 84(3) states that Sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 do not apply to antiques. Go read those sections. Any other section in the Criminal Code dealing with firearms, applies to Antiques.

Like pointing a firearm. Or using a firearm in the commission of an offence. Or possession of a weapon dangerous to the public peace. Or possession of a concealed weapon. Or possession of a firearm contrary to a firearms prohibition. Etc etc.
 
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The question is, is a $4000+ 19th century Webley or SAA worth carrying around vs a nonrestricted short shotgun or levergun?
 
870P said:
The question is, is a $4000+ 19th century Webley or SAA worth carrying around vs a nonrestricted short shotgun or levergun?
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Depends on the scenario. If a predator is on you, are you going to be able to swing that shotgun up... or just the handgun on your hip holster? Handguns are designed to be defensive firearms, in close. Long guns require a stand off distance to wield them more often than not.
 
The whole thing would be so much more simplified if they'd just amend the current ATC into a permit for "all properly licensed backcountry-goers" to apply for & be granted a permit to carry our (ex: Rugers) from Date A to B in X-location, and be done. For Guides, trappers, and particular careerists "working" in remote-wilderness, what Canada has is workable and permits attainable; but for the rest of us (some being very applicable but nonetheless not on the viable applicant list anyway) until amendments are made to something along the lines of what I suggest above, we only get Antiques as an option.. it be so simple to ammend the ATC's into a general-backcountry permit if only they'd be less block headed about it!

It's BS, but is what it is. I really do believe this Wildlife carry Permit is the most relevant piece of the Firearms Act that has full-merit to be written. Of all-things firearm, and all-debates constantly going on, wildlife carry is one that is absolutely ridiculous to not currently exist in Canada. (Of all places!)
 
whiskeywillow said:
The whole thing would be so much more simplified if they'd just amend the current ATC into a permit for "all properly licensed backcountry-goers" to apply for & be granted a permit to carry our (ex: Rugers) from Date A to B in X-location, and be done. For Guides, trappers, and particular careerists "working" in remote-wilderness, what Canada has is workable and permits attainable; but for the rest of us (some being very applicable but nonetheless not on the viable applicant list anyway) until amendments are made to something along the lines of what I suggest above, we only get Antiques as an option.. it be so simple to ammend the ATC's into a general-backcountry permit if only they'd be less block headed about it!

It's BS, but is what it is. I really do believe this Wildlife carry Permit is the most relevant piece of the Firearms Act that has full-merit to be written. Of all-things firearm, and all-debates constantly going on, wildlife carry is one that is absolutely ridiculous to not currently exist in Canada. (Of all places!)
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Or just let people who haven't shown reason not to be permitted the possession of firearms, to own firearms.
 
Just keep one very important FACT in mind. IF YOU ARE CARRYING an ANTIQUE HANDGUN WHILE HUNTING. It is ILLEGAL in every part of Canada that I know of to HUNT WITH A HANDGUN.

Fenceline, anyone carrying a handgun against aggressive game and choosing to use it when a shotgun is available????????????????????? Your choice. I know what my choice would be and the handgun would definitely stay in the holster.

Kamlooky, I have been approached by our local Constables for discharging antique handguns off the range but in a safe manner in a safe area. The officers were called by a lady walking her dog, who had heard the shooting and with the binos she carries for observing wildlife saw my neighbor and I shooting about 400 meters away. She couldn't tell if they were antiques or not and with her trusty cell phone called the local detachment to tell them what she was seeing. We didn't know anything about this of course, until we saw the RCMP marked pickup come barreling across the field. I thought they were going to flip it over in their rush to apprehend us. We cleared all of the spent casings out of the cylinders and set the pistols on the bench we had set up. Then stood away from them so we weren't looking like we were going to be aggressive. NO, we didn't raise our hands.

One of them wanted to seize the firearms/ammo, arrest us and take us back to the station to sort it all out. The other one was an older vet with much more time on the job under his hat and asked us if we knew we were breaking the law and that we weren't allowed to used restricted firearms anywhere but sanctioned ranges and of course that we needed ATTs. I was impressed that he at least had some grasp of the situation and that there may be more to this than was readily apparent. He knew absolutely NOTHING about antique status firearms. I showed him my paperwork and explained that antiques could be legally discharged anywhere it was legal to discharge a firearm.

He was skeptical but again, to his credit, he called his Sergeant to get clarification. The Sergeant asked him WHO I was and told the officers that he would make a call. About ten minutes later the Sergeant called back and ALL WAS WELL.

Chances are very good that if you come across a Police Officer or a Conservation Officer they won't be cognitive of the regulations. They aren't LAWYERS and there is no way they can be educated on every aspect of the law. IF for some reason they happen to be particularly interested in something, then maybe they will have a lot or at least minimal knowledge.

Don't be a FOOL and start ranting. PAPER UP and CARRY the PAPERS. USE YOUR BIG HEAD.

Think about it. IF for some reason you come into conflict with a Police Officer that is scared by what he/she perceives to be a REAL threat to their well being, YOU could get yourself injured pretty quickly or at the very least have a number of charges thrown at you that could be very expensive to overthrow. Be courteous and respectful. When it comes to firearms situations all sorts of things can and do happen that there is no need for.

That afternoon worked out OK for us. The lady that called in the incident was watching the whole thing from the road. She went away, after the Police stopped and assessed her of the situation and that all was legal. Both of the Officers were actually quite interested in the antiques. One liked the Howda and the other liked the little 1 inch barreled 38 Webly and 455 MkI Webly. We got into a discussion about transport and storage as well but that's for a different time.

I met the experienced officer at our range a few times after that and he told me he was actually a bit apprehensive at first when he got the call and again later when they approached us. He told me it was a good thing we had put the pistols down and stood well away from them with our hands where he could see them.

I interpret the laws to be that these non firearms CAN'T be CONCEALED on your person. They have to be visible while in use or in a locked container when not in use.

One of the fun things I like to do with mine is go to a wilderness spot on a local creek with fairly fast current. Throw in branches that will float and use them as moving targets. That is much more interesting than punching holes in paper.
 
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