Goose guns

cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
it has a lot to do with , shot size type of choke, and choke tube being used, barrel length,
with my 10 gauge, 32 inch barrel TT, or F shot and wad wizard choke tube , it is very possible 80 yards consistently, if I want ,
I agree with you with what you say, like I stated earlier, I usually don't start shooting until the people with the 20 , gauges and 12 ga, 2 3/4 have shot at least twice, that takes the bird out far sometimes, as you will know it only take a few seconds and the birds can skedaddle out pretty fast
leaving me with some really long shots, I try not make a habit of it but, if I have to with those combinations I can still consistently instantly kill them at 80 yards, no fluke shots either,
I don't care if people don't believe me or not, because other cant do it doesn't mean to say some others can
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LOL you think :)Now we are using larger shot for the 80 yards. OK

First of all I am not picking on you just sharing what I have seen from many years shooting the 10ga and I am no expert by far

I have reloaded steel shot like I said since 1994 for the 10ga all RSI high speed reloads which kill way better than any factory load out there and shot more paper than most with just about every choke out there for the 10ga and know what a 10ga can do. 32" Barrel length has no real effect. I have the wad wizzard also buried in my pile of many choke tubes which I finally gave up buying and wasting money on. I have a sp-10 and an ithaca mag 10 also which I tried with the browning golds for patterns.What are you using an ithaca??

The patterns with TT and F I can toss a duck through for the most part at 60 yards, 80 would be worse. Larger shot deforms easier and gives me a lot of flyers

Have you patterned your gun with that choke and shot I would love to see some of the sheets since maybe I am doing something wrong since you are using factory ammo from what it seems and that is crap compared to rsi reloads I use
I don't care either what you think or people say but I know you are fluking them regardless at 80 yards and I bet the ones that fall are going straight away with a broken wing and not stone dead .None that are crossing and have to be lead for a 80 yard shot is there

You can think I am full of crap but believe me patterning the 10ga with most chokes out there is something I did a lot of. This is about 1/2 of the tubes I own for my shotguns and I bet there is 20 different ones for 10ga buried if I took them all out of the box

If your are happy fine to each their own but please don't try to convince others it is something that should be tried by any one regardless how good of a shot they are

Cheers

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Here is a factory load of F shot out of a 10ga gold with a WW .720 terror choke at 40 yards. At 80 yards I cannot even imagine what the pattern would be like or lack of it but you are not fluking them OK
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To test the pattern of T shot or larger at 80 yards, you would be counting the amount of pellet holes in a 4x8 sheet of plywood

I say he has a better chance at roping the wind then killing geese at 80 yards
 
as soon as the weather gets better I will pattern some shots and take pictures for you, I mostly use browning gold 10 gauges both with 30 inch barrels, one I have a 26 inch barrel and the extra 4 inches does make a huge difference, I do have an Ithica mag 10 /30 inch barrel, a Remington sp 10 /30 inch barrel, and a couple sxs an (AYA and a church hill) 10 gauges which I don't use at all but wont part with either dunno why just have them, and an h&R single shot don't use that either, and I have an old bolt action with a real long barrel I believe its got a 36 inch barrel I just forget what it measures, but that one you can almost use just the barrel to hit them with ,
but I have no problem with patterning and posting a picture, its all good to know
 
cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
as soon as the weather gets better I will pattern some shots and take pictures for you, I mostly use browning gold 10 gauges both with 30 inch barrels, one I have a 26 inch barrel and the extra 4 inches does make a huge difference, I do have an Ithica mag 10 /30 inch barrel, a Remington sp 10 /30 inch barrel, and a couple sxs an (AYA and a church hill) 10 gauges which I don't use at all but wont part with either dunno why just have them, and an h&R single shot don't use that either, and I have an old bolt action with a real long barrel I believe its got a 36 inch barrel I just forget what it measures, but that one you can almost use just the barrel to hit them with ,
but I have no problem with patterning and posting a picture, its all good to know
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Ok you blew it with me now should have quit when I wasn't sure. I don't think you have ever fired a 10ga at a piece of paper be honest but sure own a lot of them none of which was the 32" 80 yard goose killer you mentioned earlier Humm. I see slight velocity changes between lengths but not noticeable pattern differences
Again the old school thinking when we would say that old 36" goose gun can really reach out and touch them but it was for the wrong reason.We just handled it better

You may have trouble getting that $550 per 1/2 hour now :)

Take care
Words of a shotgun expert not me

As to patterns, they really don’t have anything to do with the length of the barrel. A pattern is totally dependent on the amount of choke used. You can get the same pattern from a 20″ barrel that you can from a 36″ barrel if you use the same choke.

The main difference in barrel lengths comes in two areas

1) sighting plane and

2) balance.

The longer the barrel, the more precise the gun will be on longer targets and the less the perceived lead will be. On the other side, a barrel which is too long will make the gun harder to swing quickly for the close shots. It’s all a question of compromise. Turkey barrels are really closer to rifle barrels in the way that they are used than shotgun barrels. Same with slug barrels. Both emulate rifle lengths, not shotgun lengths for ease of maneuverability.
 
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cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
as soon as the weather gets better I will pattern some shots and take pictures for you, I mostly use browning gold 10 gauges both with 30 inch barrels, one I have a 26 inch barrel and the extra 4 inches does make a huge difference, I do have an Ithica mag 10 /30 inch barrel, a Remington sp 10 /30 inch barrel, and a couple sxs an (AYA and a church hill) 10 gauges which I don't use at all but wont part with either dunno why just have them, and an h&R single shot don't use that either, and I have an old bolt action with a real long barrel I believe its got a 36 inch barrel I just forget what it measures, but that one you can almost use just the barrel to hit them with ,
but I have no problem with patterning and posting a picture, its all good to know
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You can pattern all you want, but a goose doesnt float in one spot like a drone....when you are patterning your guns, put up a high speed camera and try to capture how long the shot string is. When you figure that out, I’d love to hear how you consistently kill geese stone dead at 80 yards with your 1-2 pellets that are left over
 
The biggest issue with this thread is not the B.S so much as the amount of “expert” in it. I am betting my last dollar that all of the “experts” on this thread, combined have not test fired at the range or in the field in their lifetime anywhere near the number of rounds a guy like Tom Roster has in say only a couple seasons. Too bad he wasn’t on this forum to lend some much needed advice and heel in some of our cgn “experts”.
 
the spank said:
The biggest issue with this thread is not the B.S so much as the amount of “expert” in it. I am betting my last dollar that all of the “experts” on this thread, combined have not test fired at the range or in the field in their lifetime anywhere near the number of rounds a guy like Tom Roster has in say only a couple seasons. Too bad he wasn’t on this forum to lend some much needed advice and heel in some of our cgn “experts”.
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Not sure what you are getting at. His stuff is out there if one wants to look and it doesn't look any different to me
No mention of 80 yards on his charts with steel that is for sure
It doesn't matter who reloads the recipe if done right with a certain gun and a certain choke at a set difference the end result will be the same on the pattern board. I actually have and use his hevi shot manual so what difference who pulls the handle. I know he has one for lead and bismuth but I have never seen one from him on steel. Would love to HAVE IT if it exists

from Tom's chart fix the link if you want to see it all
htt ps://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/migratory-game-bird-regulations/nontoxic-shot-lethality-table

Large Geese at Long Range
Giant, Western, Atlantic and Interior Canadas 50-65yards Steel BBB to T
50-70 yards HEVI-Shot 2 to B

It is not like I am comparing you to Ray Stafford :)

Seriously there is not a shotgunner in canada that can compare to him and his experience


Tom Roster is an independent ballistics consultant and author specializing in the design and testing of shotshell loads for U.S. shotshell and reloading components manufacturers. He is a court-recognized shotshell/shotgun expert witness. Tom was formerly the Ballistics Research Director at Oregon Institute of Technology and then served as a Ballistics Specialist for the Dept. of the Interior. In these capacities he designed and administered the world’s six most extensive lead versus nontoxic shot duck, goose, pheasant and dove shooting tests ever conducted. He then co-authored their peer-reviewed scientific reports. Roster spends about 100 days afield each year testing lead and nontoxic hunting and target shotshell loads, then traveling worldwide reporting on his findings to industry and wildlife professionals, hunters and shooters, and in his writings for various shotgunning magazines.
 
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3macs1 said:
Not sure what you are getting at. His stuff is out there if one wants to look and it doesn't look any different to me
No mention of 80 yards on his charts with steel that is for sure
It doesn't matter who reloads the recipe if done right with a certain gun and a certain choke at a set difference the end result will be the same on the pattern board

from Tom's chart fix the link if you want to see it all
htt ps://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/migratory-game-bird-regulations/nontoxic-shot-lethality-table

Large Geese at Long Range
Giant, Western, Atlantic and Interior Canadas 50-65yards Steel BBB to T
50-70 yards HEVI-Shot 2 to B

It is not like I am comparing you to Ray Stafford :)

Seriously there is not a shotgunner in canada that can compare to him


Tom Roster is an independent ballistics consultant and author specializing in the design and testing of shotshell loads for U.S. shotshell and reloading components manufacturers. He is a court-recognized shotshell/shotgun expert witness. Tom was formerly the Ballistics Research Director at Oregon Institute of Technology and then served as a Ballistics Specialist for the Dept. of the Interior. In these capacities he designed and administered the world’s six most extensive lead versus nontoxic shot duck, goose, pheasant and dove shooting tests ever conducted. He then co-authored their peer-reviewed scientific reports. Roster spends about 100 days afield each year testing lead and nontoxic hunting and target shotshell loads, then traveling worldwide reporting on his findings to industry and wildlife professionals, hunters and shooters, and in his writings for various shotgunning magazines.
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I see no mention of 80 yard shots on geese in his chart.
 
3macs1 said:
LOL you think :)Now we are using larger shot for the 80 yards. OK

First of all I am not picking on you just sharing what I have seen from many years shooting the 10ga and I am no expert by far

I have reloaded steel shot like I said since 1994 for the 10ga all RSI high speed reloads which kill way better than any factory load out there and shot more paper than most with just about every choke out there for the 10ga and know what a 10ga can do. 32" Barrel length has no real effect. I have the wad wizzard also buried in my pile of many choke tubes which I finally gave up buying and wasting money on. I have a sp-10 and an ithaca mag 10 also which I tried with the browning golds for patterns.What are you using an ithaca??

The patterns with TT and F I can toss a duck through for the most part at 60 yards, 80 would be worse. Larger shot deforms easier and gives me a lot of flyers

Have you patterned your gun with that choke and shot I would love to see some of the sheets since maybe I am doing something wrong since you are using factory ammo from what it seems and that is crap compared to rsi reloads I use
I don't care either what you think or people say but I know you are fluking them regardless at 80 yards and I bet the ones that fall are going straight away with a broken wing and not stone dead .None that are crossing and have to be lead for a 80 yard shot is there

You can think I am full of crap but believe me patterning the 10ga with most chokes out there is something I did a lot of. This is about 1/2 of the tubes I own for my shotguns and I bet there is 20 different ones for 10ga buried if I took them all out of the box

If your are happy fine to each their own but please don't try to convince others it is something that should be tried by any one regardless how good of a shot they are

Cheers

RfHazOW.jpg



Here is a factory load of F shot out of a 10ga gold with a WW .720 terror choke at 40 yards. At 80 yards I cannot even imagine what the pattern would be like or lack of it but you are not fluking them OK
mISJ0Le.jpg
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first of all the 30 inch was a typo if you noticed I changed it , but you being in such a hurry to run another down you didn't notice that, secondly I never said anything about a side ways lead shot, straight away yes consistently, thirdly , I did say I will pattern my SHOT AND TAKE PICS AND POST THEM, FOURTH I have patterned my guns, with many different type ammo I just never took pics of it didn't think I had to, fithly , I do own all the guns I said I owned, and no #### you I wont post pics to prove to you ,just for someone to figure who I am and where I reside , for someone to do a B & E on me, and sixth I'm done with this conversation and this forum, go ahead post away
 
I honestly do not know but that young guy from Brandon, Manitoba Patrick Lamont has accomplished more by the age of 30 than some of the bigger names in the game ever have. If he continues on that path he may one day be the best record holder in ATA trap of all time?! I watched him post a 998/1000 at Canadians in 2015 for H.A.A!!! He earned his way to AAA27AAA in 2015. That is no easy feat and less than a dozen do it each year in of all the ATA!’

https://mwf.mb.ca/2016/09/15/straight-shooter/
 
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