Canadian Rimfire Precision Series - launching in 2018

This is a great idea. I've been wrapped up in IPSC lately so my CZ rimfire has been gathering dust, but I'll have to clean it up and try and get out regularly to practice, I'd love to get in on this.
 
Rickster66 said:
Yah, the BSEV is definitely NOT a "Production" division rifle. :) A nice rifle but one or two levels up from the typical rifles you'd see in the division. Should be a nice shooter.
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Yes - I have shot one before. Nowhere near serious competition .22's - good lord I've seen the sky's the limit with pricing, but a nice rifle nonetheless
 
Rickster66 said:
We go with MSRP and use a few different stores to benchmark pricing. We're also working to create a standard production list to make it easier. We're trying to keep it simple and fair for the guys running the regular rimfire rifles that people start with - Marlin 795, Rem 597, ruger 10/22, Savage Mk II, etc.
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A production list is a good idea. I have a CZ455 Varmint that I paid $439 but I don't know what MSRP is today. I would think it would qualify. It's stock so I'd probably get left behind in the Open division dust if it didn't qualify for production. Just like IPSC production if you have a list you don't have to worry about verifying prices, people complaining etc. etc. It's on the list or it's not.
 
Okay one of you experts mentioned a Bushnell scope running around the $350 or $450 mark...and it wa supposed to rock a Mil/Mil reticle. Just cannot find that conversation to look up that model. But is sur sounds like a Production Class candidate...

Cheers, Barney

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Pocisk said:
A production list is a good idea. I have a CZ455 Varmint that I paid $439 but I don't know what MSRP is today. I would think it would qualify. It's stock so I'd probably get left behind in the Open division dust if it didn't qualify for production. Just like IPSC production if you have a list you don't have to worry about verifying prices, people complaining etc. etc. It's on the list or it's not.
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CZ Varmint is unfortunately above the $500 limit these days. It is Open. However, I wouldn't worry about being outclassed equipment wise. The differentiator will be marksmanship skills and wind reading. The most common bolt action we've seen so far are Savage MK II FVs. The CZ 455 will print smaller groups but small groups are of little value if you call wind wrong. :) . I'd run the CZ455, make sure I've got a solid cheek weld and find the ammo it likes. As a platform, it will be competitive in Open Division.
 
TacticalTeacher said:
Okay one of you experts mentioned a Bushnell scope running around the $350 or $450 mark...and it wa supposed to rock a Mil/Mil reticle. Just cannot find that conversation to look up that model. But is sur sounds like a Production Class candidate...

Cheers, Barney

:wave:
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The Bushnell Engage is in the price range but MOA only 3-12x42 for around $375-450. Primary arms is coming out with a 4-14x in FFP MIL/MIL with a x-mass tree reticle for under $500. Cabela's covenant is also interesting 4-16 or 6-24 in FFP both under $500.

More out there for sure. We're looking around now to be able to recommend some scopes for Production.
 
I’d like to come out and give this a try as well.
Maybe the June match.
I have a CZ 452 Full Stock that was under $500 when I got it.
Model is out of production so no current MSRP.
The prices are higher because of the nice “wood”.
I’d have to get some of that camo wrap . Lol

I’d have thought it would be in the production division but if the 452 action is deemed open division that’s okay.
 
vrex said:
I’d like to come out and give this a try as well.
Maybe the June match.
I have a CZ 452 Full Stock that was under $500 when I got it.
Model is out of production so no current MSRP.
The prices are higher because of the nice “wood”.
I’d have to get some of that camo wrap . Lol

I’d have thought it would be in the production division but if the 452 action is deemed open division that’s okay.
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Vrex,
The CZ 452 is classified as an Open Division rifle, although no longer produced it is of equal cost/performance to CZ455s.
Rick
 
Just a question. If you have 2 stainless savage heavy barrel guns, because of the difference in the stock it makes one open class, and one sporter? Once you have a list made up will it be differentiating all the different models of a particular barreled action, or will it be simply all heavy barreled savages as an example?
 
Underthegun said:
Just a question. If you have 2 stainless savage heavy barrel guns, because of the difference in the stock it makes one open class, and one sporter? Once you have a list made up will it be differentiating all the different models of a particular barreled action, or will it be simply all heavy barreled savages as an example?
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UTG,
They will likely be in Open Division. The Savage Mk II are classed by MSRP - The stainless, heavy barrelled models are usually above the $500 limit. Again, our goal is to keep the Production Division competitive, you will typically not see heavy barrelled and laminated stock models in that group with the exception of one or two models that are priced affordably. We hope to have model specific listings down to the part number for clarity but we might miss a few of the older models. From a pure performance perspective, I don't think the stainless heavy barrel really provides the big performance advantage. It is usually the laminated/thumbhole stock that provides the performance gain. We're seeing how it goes this year and will adjust next year as we gain more experience in classification.
 
Rickster66 said:
UTG,
They will likely be in Open Division. The Savage Mk II are classed by MSRP - The stainless, heavy barrelled models are usually above the $500 limit. Again, our goal is to keep the Production Division competitive, you will typically not see heavy barrelled and laminated stock models in that group with the exception of one or two models that are priced affordably. We hope to have model specific listings down to the part number for clarity but we might miss a few of the older models. From a pure performance perspective, I don't think the stainless heavy barrel really provides the big performance advantage. It is usually the laminated/thumbhole stock that provides the performance gain. We're seeing how it goes this year and will adjust next year as we gain more experience in classification.
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I was wondering because you will have heavy barreled savages (or other manufacturers) in both classes whether or not they are stainless or blued is irrelevant. That was more of an example of 2 equal rifles but slightly different stocks. .
 
Underthegun said:
I was wondering because you will have heavy barreled savages (or other manufacturers) in both classes whether or not they are stainless or blued is irrelevant. That was more of an example of 2 equal rifles but slightly different stocks. .
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You are correct. The difference is the stock, most likely, but it for us it is a significant one. Again, it is hard to make it all work cleanly but the price point of $500 is more than generous given the objective. Most will agree that upgrading a stock/chassis will likely provide more benefit in these matches than a heavy barrel considering that most stages will be limited to 10 rounds. If we increase the limit to allow Savage MK II with laminated or thumbhole stocks then the CZ452/455 will be eligible for Production which will create an imbalance to those shooters who are using Marlin 795/Savage 64/Ruger 10-22s/etc. The Production limit of $500 MSRP isn't perfect. We'll review the results from this year and see what changes we may need to make in 2019.
 
Have you considered using the already established NRL22 rifle classes and courses of fire? Seems like you're trying to accomplish the same thing and they already have pages of documentation addressing some of the questions coming up here.

I may have missed it but how are you accounting for rifle modifications in "production" class? If the same action in a different (more expensive) stock tips the scale to open class, am I to assume that trigger modifications, bedding etc. would do the same?

With a $500 cap on the rifle, it's not surprising to see Savage Mark IIs at the top.
 
thenerdboy said:
Have you considered using the already established NRL22 rifle classes and courses of fire? Seems like you're trying to accomplish the same thing and they already have pages of documentation addressing some of the questions coming up here.

I may have missed it but how are you accounting for rifle modifications in "production" class? If the same action in a different (more expensive) stock tips the scale to open class, am I to assume that trigger modifications, bedding etc. would do the same?

With a $500 cap on the rifle, it's not surprising to see Savage Mark IIs at the top.
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We are adopting nearly the same classification as NRL22 with some minor differences. We are also intentionally setting up COF outside of what NRL22 does. Ranges in Canada should try to join NRL22 and participate. Our matches are long range, typically starting at 75 and going to 300m . We don't want to reinvent the wheel. We are trying to offer something most competitors can't get at home ranges.

We're trying to keep if fair for the guys just starting out and to keep them out of the arms race. Thumbhole stocks and laminated stocks add some performance and cost. We're trying to keep the price low so more people can be competitive. No mods to triggers, barrels, receivers in Production Division. You can add cheek rests, auto bolts and extended mag release.

We limit Production to 1 Bag per stage and no tripod use. Open division is free to shoot the way the would shoot a center fire PRS match to provide an equivalent training environment.

Rick
 
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