The Bess,her bayonet and owners saved Canada.

Excellent display Cigar man. 10 or so yrs back you could count a dozen or so various patterned Bess muskets at the shows, now you don't. Glad you took some pics for us all to enjoy.
Just image tens of thousands of items left behind after June 06 1813. Even Billy Green picked up a Bess in the woods and kept it for huntin. I recently found a US scabbard, confirmed by Ft. George staff. It was sticken out of the swamp,down the hill from where the US 25th retreated. (Now covered with condos!) Smith Family had 12 bushels full of stuff found on their land from 1850s-1956!
If your guests have a 49th or 8th marked Bess, they have a rare bird indeed. Nevertheless any Brown Bess is a beauty to behold, your display must have been something. And most of us do enjoy Kipling.
Stoney Creek where many fought bravely on both sides. But the Bess and her bayonet won the night. See you next time. Cheers!
 
John Sukey said:
Keep in mind that war started because the Brits were shangheing Sailors off American ships to fight in their wars with the French. The attack on Canada was actualy a sideshow to retaliate.
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The real impetus was the British blockade of Europe from American trade. And the idea of taking Canada from England while they were preoccupied with France, and Spain ect. In europe.

Don't forget the Quasi-War 1798-1800 with France when American ships were barred (by the French) from trading in Europe.

Well its Always more complicated than that, but...
 
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QM 86 said:
Raise a pint to this fact-200 years ago yesterday, 700 Brits,40 Militia and a dozen natives using their Bess Muskets took part in a suicide 2am bayonet attack on 2,200 Yanks, holding the high ground, with 7 cannons. After 1 year, 6,000 Yanks had the Niagara Penn. and 1,000 Brits were about done, chased to Burlingon heights. 2,200 US troops camped at Stoney Creek with 800 more 3 miles away. A desperate attack was made,Billy Green a local acted as a guide, and using the password he, his brother or someone else had obtained, helped these soldiers get close to and eliminate 4 sentries along a 7 mile night patrol,found another 50 sleeping and made prisoner, then onto the US camp. A group of 200 US soldiers, plus 20 cooks were 300 yds ahead from the rest of the US line, when all hell broke loose. These 220 were completely overrun by 425 bayonet charging men of the Brit 49th. The survivors ran for their lines but not until they fired 3-4 volleys, before both getting overwelmed by Bess bayonets to their front and hammered by 6 US cannons to their backs. From here the Brit 49th and 8th, advanced on to bottom of the high ground. After half an hour the battle was about done, the Yanks were winning. A forlorn hope attack was made on the 100 US gunners unarmed of personal weapons, out of the dark by 43 Brits and militiamen. Scrambling for their lives, many were bayoneted, or shot in the head, and their 2 only Generals arrived at the worst possible time, only to become POW's. In 1 hr it was over, Yanks held the south line with 450 men most others ran to the swamps and woods, Brits with about 300 held the rest. By sunrise the Brits retired, with 2 cannons with horses,2 Generals and 123 other prisoners. By noon the Yanks retreated,never to venture so deep again,leaving 38 of their dead along with 23 Brits to be buried by the locals. The net and the US gov. only admit to 19 US dead. Truth is the individual company and battalionCommanders stated that the US Artillery, 5th, 20th,21st,22nd,23rd and 25th Infantry had about 70 dead. ---If I bored you all with this, forgive me, you see I was raised near the battlefield, and my school sat on it's left flank.We weretold by desendants that the creek, swamps and house lots around us had the buried and some never found bodies of dozens of US soldiers. As I look at one of my Bess muskets and bayonet I wonder about that fateful night when Canada was saved yet 99 percent of Canadians don't even know about it. 200 years ago to the hour, I stood there, to say my thanks to the men,their Bess muskets and bayonets that saved Canada.
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Plinker was a good poster. Could be a tad abrasive, but had some good insights.


plinker 777 said:
Well, I don't know if it too many coffee's this morning or what, but I find your statement kind of offensive and one with little thought put behind it. I'll have you know that aside from some silly firearms law (which can be changed for better or worse BTW), Canada and her citizens enjoy more personal freedoms than anywhere on the planet, we have a higher standard of living than most and for a country with a relatively small population have a voice (that is well heeded) globally.
Just because you don't share a political view, does that equate to you believing that anyone who doesn't agree shouldn't be allowed to speak, or vote the above named into office!?

Speaking as someone who's ancestors were on the battle fields in Canada 200 years ago, I can tell you for a fact that they weren't fighting to liberate anything, rather they were fighting to prevent an invader from burning their home's and farms to the ground. After hostilities ceased, these same people fought to remove the "family compact" from political power, both with powder and ball (our little revolution) and more importantly and effectively with their voices and vote.

I would therefore suggest to you that 200 years ago, our farmer ancestors sent a message not only to our cousins to the south but to the world, that this is our land, that we will defend our land, our farms, our wives and children and our way of life. In this we are united and unwavering. It was the beginning of our birth as a nation.

If you don't like the leadership or representatives of the country, get vocal and active...don't slander our good name.

...yea, definitely too many coffee's...rant over. :p
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fingers284 said:
And for a different perspective...if the result of that battle had turned out different we would all be covered by the "Second Amendment" ....Sigh...and no F#c'n Trudeau !!!
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Better to be a Canadian without the second amendment than a yank with it
 
cpbird91 said:
So maybe its time you move down south.
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If. I could talk the family into it I would bucko , property rights and being a citizen not a subject would work fine for me , I know a lot of expats down there now , who want nothing to do with what this country is becoming . I would draw my Canadian forces pension and have a chuckle just like a lot of Rhodesian and South African soldiers did when thier people stopped caring about thier country. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Imagine the entire populations of every US inner city moving here on day one...still think we aren't better off? (although Sparkly Socks is working on that)
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Yes he is and that genie will be long out of the bottle by the time he leaves
You will have a bunch of “Canadians or convenience” with no job prospects due to carbon/ green horse sh!t
Look great eh . Thank to all who supported giving the country away
 
I consider the 2019 federal election to be our last stand.

Nevermind firearms - we will be in a depression if Libs get in for a second term.
 
QM 86 said:
Raise a pint to this fact-200 years ago yesterday, 700 Brits,40 Militia and a dozen natives using their Bess Muskets took part in a suicide 2am bayonet attack on 2,200 Yanks, holding the high ground, with 7 cannons. After 1 year, 6,000 Yanks had the Niagara Penn. and 1,000 Brits were about done, chased to Burlingon heights. 2,200 US troops camped at Stoney Creek with 800 more 3 miles away. A desperate attack was made,Billy Green a local acted as a guide, and using the password he, his brother or someone else had obtained, helped these soldiers get close to and eliminate 4 sentries along a 7 mile night patrol,found another 50 sleeping and made prisoner, then onto the US camp. A group of 200 US soldiers, plus 20 cooks were 300 yds ahead from the rest of the US line, when all hell broke loose. These 220 were completely overrun by 425 bayonet charging men of the Brit 49th. The survivors ran for their lines but not until they fired 3-4 volleys, before both getting overwelmed by Bess bayonets to their front and hammered by 6 US cannons to their backs. From here the Brit 49th and 8th, advanced on to bottom of the high ground. After half an hour the battle was about done, the Yanks were winning. A forlorn hope attack was made on the 100 US gunners unarmed of personal weapons, out of the dark by 43 Brits and militiamen. Scrambling for their lives, many were bayoneted, or shot in the head, and their 2 only Generals arrived at the worst possible time, only to become POW's. In 1 hr it was over, Yanks held the south line with 450 men most others ran to the swamps and woods, Brits with about 300 held the rest. By sunrise the Brits retired, with 2 cannons with horses,2 Generals and 123 other prisoners. By noon the Yanks retreated,never to venture so deep again,leaving 38 of their dead along with 23 Brits to be buried by the locals. The net and the US gov. only admit to 19 US dead. Truth is the individual company and battalionCommanders stated that the US Artillery, 5th, 20th,21st,22nd,23rd and 25th Infantry had about 70 dead. ---If I bored you all with this, forgive me, you see I was raised near the battlefield, and my school sat on it's left flank.We weretold by desendants that the creek, swamps and house lots around us had the buried and some never found bodies of dozens of US soldiers. As I look at one of my Bess muskets and bayonet I wonder about that fateful night when Canada was saved yet 99 percent of Canadians don't even know about it. 200 years ago to the hour, I stood there, to say my thanks to the men,their Bess muskets and bayonets that saved Canada.
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Thank you for posting - I didn't know.
 
NaviDave said:
I consider the 2019 federal election to be our last stand.

Nevermind firearms - we will be in a depression if Libs get in for a second term.
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I think we are in one now and just don’t realize it . People have to start seeing the truth for what it is .


And btw folks I would still rather be Canadian if the “specs” wouldn’t have been changed.
It’s kinda like being sold a corvette but the salesman ordering you a chevette.
 
shortandlong said:
I think we are in one now and just don’t realize it . People have to start seeing the truth for what it is .


And btw folks I would still rather be Canadian if the “specs” wouldn’t have been changed.
It’s kinda like being sold a corvette but the salesman ordering you a chevette.
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As was said in another thread, the socialists outnumber us 2 to 1. Hard to make that math work.
 
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