Unreal! Where do I sign up?! Deer Cull with Headshots only!

ChromeArty said:
Change a few sentences in the regs and watch them disappear... that and they could still pull in $10 a tag for conservation. That would also prevent just people from just shooting them and leaving.

Ie. Named six islands have no bag limit, Antlered or Antlerless, virtually open season.

They'd be gone in a few years, and money would be made and freezers filled.
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Or better yet? Just offer a handsome bounty. Give hunters $200 a head and they’d still save millions.
 
FLHTCUI said:
I’m going to speak with the MP’s Office tomorrow after work.
Why the f.....they didn’t hire the local bands to do this is beyond me.
Give a man a deer and he eats for a week.
Teach a man to hunt and he eats for a lifetime.
Drove me batty last night trying to rationalize the bloody idiots.
Then they quote the beeotch from the SPCA?
Literally one can not make this crap up.
Then again Florida hired the two snake hunters from India to come and help eradicate those pythons and boas from the Everglades.
Rob
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Why just bands? Are they more equal or something? Whitey can't use a stainless/synthetic 300wm bow too?
 
Unbelievable waste of tax dollars. Spend millions on something that could generate revenue for the local economy. I really cannot understand it. This needs to be in the media. I cannot wait for the next federal election. Government waste has me considering moving elsewhere. Seriously.
 
-There is no screwing local hunters. They couldn’t keep up and / or didn’t want them. The environmental damage to the rainforest by deer is becoming untenable.

-The bag limit for deer on Haida Gwali has been 15 or more for a long time. If that’s changed let me know I never checked the limit as getting near it would be too much work. One of my guides has done the “big hunt” and try convincing enough people to take on that much of an endeavour, and the cost of the ferry for a truck and trailer. Non-BC folks might want to look up where Haida Gwaii is, and what it costs to get there.

-The band already has open season all over the island, no limits, and little interest in taking on a massive culling project.

-Helicopters are the most effecient method of culling, and they ain’t running machines on the BC coast for $600 an hour KePet. More likely $5,000-$10,000 per machine, per culling day, plus shooter. $600 an hour gets you a small piston training machine and a pilot that’s not going to work culling on the BC coast.

-New Zealand shooters who do this professionally will waste far less of that $10,000 a day heli time. We think nothing of hiring outside specialists in many fields, hire the best people for the job, not create the fast ferry version of culling.

-Recovering and caring for the meat is unfeasible, unless they want to supply the homeless with $100 a pound venison. Better to get the cull done and buy the shelters beef.

-No, the government certainly did not run this or any project as efficiently and perfectly as possible. But likely not 10% as bad as portrayed in this thread.
 
Ardent said:
-There is no screwing local hunters. They couldn’t keep up and / or didn’t want them. The environmental damage to the rainforest by deer is becoming untenable.

-The bag limit for deer on Haida Gwali has been 15 or more for a long time. If that’s changed let me know I never checked the limit as getting near it would be too much work. One of my guides has done the “big hunt” and try convincing enough people to take on that much of an endeavour, and the cost of the ferry for a truck and trailer. Non-BC folks might want to look up where Haida Gwaii is, and what it costs to get there.

-The band already has open season all over the island, no limits, and little interest in taking on a massive culling project.

-Helicopters are the most effecient method of culling, and they ain’t running machines on the BC coast for $600 an hour KePet. More likely $5,000-$10,000 per machine, per culling day, plus shooter. $600 an hour gets you a small piston training machine and a pilot that’s not going to work culling on the BC coast.

-New Zealand shooters who do this professionally will waste far less of that $10,000 a day heli time. We think nothing of hiring outside specialists in many fields, hire the best people for the job, not create the fast ferry version of culling.

-Recovering and caring for the meat is unfeasible, unless they want to supply the homeless with $100 a pound venison. Better to get the cull done and buy the shelters beef.

-No, the government certainly did not run this or any project as efficiently and perfectly as possible. But likely not 10% as bad as portrayed in this thread.
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Hmmm. Some interesting context ardent.
 
Give the man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime !
As for the Bands not wanting the job....did anyone ask them?
I am appalled that the tender went out and not a peep in BC or Canada till after the money is spent.
Some of the upside is the that the Gross Domestic Product is increasing...just a smidgen at best.
Bloody Liberals and their piss poor ways to manage money.
Rob
 
I’m personally just happy in this world of incredibly emotion based governmental decision making they had the stones to go ahead with a large scale cull. It’s protecting a precious habitat found nowhere else in Canada, and it takes some resolve and objective decision making to send helicopters and suppressed rifles over spirit bear country.

On the local band running the cull Rob, I’m not as much of an optimist it would be run efficiently and accurately as with professional cullers from New Zealand who have thousands of head of culls under the belt. You’ve likely been to Haida Gwaii too and understand the topography and rainforest, helis is the only way to make a real impact. I have a biased perspective as I still fly helicopters in the day job and on the north coast to boot seasonally, I think I’d rather have the Kiwi professional shooter hanging out the door and his gun handling, and shooting efficiency from a moving platform on moving targets, than the local fishermen’s wharf culling militia assembled to meet the contract. I also think as tax payers we’re going to see greater efficiency, despite the huge price tag, from the Kiwi professionals than hoping the local band does better with the contract and money, with no production cull experience.

Kudos to the generally heavily anti native crowd however on CGN proposing the local band get the money and run the show, it’s a refreshing opinion to see here. However large scale aerial culls are a very specific thing and not something you just contract locals for. Haida Gwaii is too impossibly thick to effectively cull from the ground, I’m not convinced a heavy aerial cull makes much of a difference.
 
Ardent you make some very good points. Never been to Haida Gwaii so I can't speak to the challenges faced there. All I recounted was what happened in our neck of the woods, and the outrage that it caused. Heck I'm a hunter. The sight of a dead dear doesn't bother me, but what I saw, and the video of wounded animals being buried alive in the pit that wasn't supposed to exist, was enough to turn my stomach. The video was taken by a local, after the government made a big song and dance about the meat not being wasted.

Each area has its own challenges. I just know that what was done in our area wasn't right. I will kill an animal, but I will not let one suffer needlessly. And from what I've seen, anytime the government gets involved, it always gets screwed up
 
shortandlong said:
DND has shooters and helos too, I’m free training ffs there were fighting floods and forest fires , and plying taxis in snowstorms
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DND has Griffons, say four times the cost to operate and not suited to the role, and shooters who will be useless aerially or understanding game movements and finding the deer by judging habitat. The best the military has to offer isn’t going to produce 5% of what professional cervid cullers do, even if you quadrupled the budget for them.

Remember what happened when the DND sent Griffons to the Kelowna fires...? First they tried water bucketing... it didn’t work out at all and was downright dangerous for 700hr pilots (mil doesn’t fly much) flying overweight machines in hot environments with no long line experience.

So they moved them to HAC crew moves. Turns out they had very limited confined area landing experience and their machines were again too heavy, and inappropriate. They started flying Griffons (big machines) as aerial observation platforms with one passenger and a radio.
 
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