3 gun shotgun?

Ctscan said:
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Lighter is not better when it comes to shotguns,
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That is your preference. If you want a 9-10 lb loaded gun (doubtful as you said you'd prefer a 3" m2 over a 3.5" m4...), sure. But a lighter gun swings quicker. And the recoil difference is negligible at these weights with the usual 1 - 1 1/4 oz target loads so that extra weight does no favours.

Ctscan said:
9 rounds vs 8 , more is better
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If the $600 is worth an extra shell, then get a m4/versa max (or other 3.5") over a m3. To me, is not. It's only useful off the start, and I'm not competitive enough to drop that cash for 1 shell.


Ctscan said:
If I had the money I’d get an m2 , buy once cry once.
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Which kind of negates the argument you are making (more shells, heavier is better etc...). The m2 is lighter than the m3k (with same length barrel), and is a 3" chamber.
 
dacron said:
That is your preference. If you want a 9-10 lb loaded gun (doubtful as you said you'd prefer a 3" m2 over a 3.5" m4...), sure. But a lighter gun swings quicker. And the recoil difference is negligible at these weights with the usual 1 - 1 1/4 oz target loads so that extra weight does no favours.

Yup, Lighter is better, it requires less effort to do everything. Recoil level in a semi shotgun is largely by design, some kick but good ones do not. The 1301 is very mild and light (IMO).



If the $600 is worth an extra shell, then get a m4/versa max (or other 3.5") over a m3. To me, is not. It's only useful off the start, and I'm not competitive enough to drop that cash for 1 shell.

Correct, 1 shell advantage only at the beep and some people are making their entire shotgun selection around this problem...
Another option I pursued was to shorten a factory shot shell, the cost was cheap, it was easy to do, works great in my gun and you don’t have to make too many for a match (7 per stage). I get 9 in the gun (7+1+1) and got the gun of my choice, off the shelf no less...
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Love my 1301 and modified shells, seems to answer most issues.
However YMMV
 
wasrupzuk said:
Love my 1301 and modified shells, seems to answer most issues.
However YMMV
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Never thought of doing modified shells, but those 1301's sure are nice. Was looking at the 21" comp version before i got the m3k, nice guns. Good price for what they come with too.
 
bsand said:
well this is the summer im going to try 3-gun.

Looking for a shotgun thats not too expensive (~1000$ or less).

i was thinking a stoeger m3k, but its only 3" chamber rather than 3.5 of the m3500 which would put me in a disadvantage in Canada (~ 1 less capacity)
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Which division do you want to run in 3gun
 
dacron said:
That is your preference. If you want a 9-10 lb loaded gun (doubtful as you said you'd prefer a 3" m2 over a 3.5" m4...), sure. But a lighter gun swings quicker. And the recoil difference is negligible at these weights with the usual 1 - 1 1/4 oz target loads so that extra weight does no favours.



If the $600 is worth an extra shell, then get a m4/versa max (or other 3.5") over a m3. To me, is not. It's only useful off the start, and I'm not competitive enough to drop that cash for 1 shell.




Which kind of negates the argument you are making (more shells, heavier is better etc...). The m2 is lighter than the m3k (with same length barrel), and is a 3" chamber.
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I would prefer a tti m2 with 24 inch barrel and 14 rounds in the tube, heavier than a versamax. You are assuming things, and that extra round to begin a stage in Canada is worth it specially since versamax are being sold for $900. Your math is incorrect, the versamax is a gas gun unlike the benelli, and that’s where the soft recoil comes from. Btw , weight matters so much in a shotgun that some guys run weights attached to the front of their 26 “ with 16 round tube shotgun. 1 1/4 oz shells ????
It’s true that an extra round won’t win a match, however an extra round will save you 1 second per stage on average. 8 - 10 stages at a match , can easily turn to 10 seconds. I’ll take a free 10 seconds .I’ve seen many matches where there are 10 shotgun shots and guys do a quad load where I just load from the matchsaver, and I’ll take those 2.5-3.5 seconds all day, sometimes they fumble the quad and I’ll take those seconds as well.
 
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Ctscan said:
I would prefer a tti m2 with 24 inch barrel and 14 rounds in the tube, heavier than a versamax.
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A M2 is heavier that a Vmax?


Ctscan said:
Btw , weight matters so much in a shotgun that some guys run weights attached to the front of their 26 “ with 16 round tube shotgun. 1 1/4 oz shells ????
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Can you explain the theory behind adding weight to a shotgun that you are already weighing down with that many rounds?
I've never come across this other than maybe a trap shooter that is trying to better balance their gun.
In the 3gun world, this is a first for me.

Ctscan said:
It’s true that an extra round won’t win a match, however an extra round will save you 1 second per stage on average. 8 - 10 stages at a match , can easily turn to 10 seconds. I’ll take a free 10 seconds .I’ve seen many matches where there are 10 shotgun shots and guys do a quad load where I just load from the matchsaver, and I’ll take those 2.5-3.5 seconds all day, sometimes they fumble the quad and I’ll take those seconds as well.
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Unless the stage has all 10 of those shots in one spot, which doesn't happen unless the stage design is garbage, there is plenty of time to toss in 2 shells as you move to the next position.
If someone can't load 2 shells in their gun before they get to their next shooting position, they aren't competitive anyways and are not the guys you need to worry about in a match.
I have yet to see the 1 shell capacity difference give someone any meaningfull competitive advantage.
If it did, I'd be using a 3.5" gun.
 
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bsand said:
Probably open, as my pistols got s RDS, rifles got a 1-6, and shotgun will have a RDS as well.
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A reliable pump mag fed (like the Valero) is worth considering then.

People say they can load a tube just as fast, but you can’t really keep up with an 11 round magazine. Most of the time the trigger speed on an auto loader is negated by the transitions between targets. Meaning unless you are doing a mag dump or all the targets are in a tight row a practiced shooter can run the targets just as fast.
 
bsand

If you are buying a gun in the US, maybe take a look at the Breda B12i
As far as a tube fed semi goes, its pretty much as ready to go out of the box as anything currently offered.
Loading port is pretty decent from the factory.
Top of the receiver is threaded so you can add a rail/optic if you need that.

But if I were in your shoes and could take full advantage of the gun on both sides of the border I'd look at a box fed semi like a Derya MK12.
You can run large mags in the states (20+ rounds) and have some fun.
And whatever is legal here.
 
Ctscan said:
I would prefer a tti m2 with 24 inch barrel and 14 rounds in the tube, heavier than a versamax. You are assuming things, and that extra round to begin a stage in Canada is worth it specially since versamax are being sold for $900.
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Stock, synthetic 24" versa max's are 7.75lbs. M2's are 7.0.The tti doesn't gain 3/4lb from an extension (after all the weight cut put from the loading port....). Also, you will not find a versa max for $900 in Canada. Entry level sportsmens are $1150-1200. $450-500 more than a m3k.

Ctscan said:
the versamax is a gas gun unlike the benelli, and that’s where the soft recoil comes from.
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And the inertia system in a benelli (m2)/stoeger has the same effect - reducing recoil (as does every semi automatic action.). I find it odd you keep dumping on inertias/praising gas systems while you dream of an inertia action (m2) as opposed to a gas (m4).


Ctscan said:
1 1/4 oz shells ????
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Yes. 1 - 1 1/4 oz target loads. Pretty well the standard target loads on any trap/skeet field and action matches. Gun weight can effect recoil, but it does not when shooting these light 1 - 1 1/4 target loads as there is virtually no recoil to speak of.

Weight would be used to balance the gun, not because more is better.
 
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Ctscan said:
Versamax shotguns also have a 3.5 inch receiver that allows 5 3.5 shells in the tube or 7 ,2 3/4 shells plus 1 ghost loaded and 1 in the chamber for a total of 9 rounds to start.
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I just watched a video on ghost loading. I thought for sure that would have caused a stoppage. Neat trick.
 
darks1d3 said:
Where did you get your Matchsaverz and mag extension for your M3K?
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Matchsaverz was ordered directly from them on their website...took about 2 weeks shipping time from Texas.
Mag extension was from S&J Hardware...I don't think they have it on their website anymore but last time I was in NAS Guns in Niagara, they had some in stock.
 
Also for the m3k: Get taran tactical benelli reduced power trigger springs, and reduced power hammer springs. Reduces the heavy factory pull by ~3lbs.
 
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