what does a 6.5 creedmore do that a 6.5 x 55 doesn't?
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It’s the topic of this thread!
Anything European.... Mauser, Merkel, Sako, Tikka, Sauer, Verney, Zastava, CZ, Schultz & Larsen, Sabbati, Bergara, Walther, Anschutz, etc... every gun maker in Europe makes something in 6.5x55, it's a looong list.
North America...Ruger, Cooper, Remington, Winchester, Howa, just to name a couple, I'm sure there are more.
Used market BSA, HVA, Parker Hale, CG, Zoli, Voere, BRNO, Heym, Lakelander, Krico, Varberger, few million 38/96 spotters, and thousands of target CG63etc and S&L M69's.
Really, like where could I ever get one? I have an old BSA CF2 in 6.5x55 that cost me a whopping $450 and it shoots better then Chuck's 6.5CM custom...no offense to Chuck or his rifle I'm sure it will settle in.
Brass, I use Norma, $60/100 for 1F from Tradex.
The CM is to the Swede what the .375 Ruger is to the .375 H&H... that should put Gatehouse in your camp, but that should also show that there is nothing one can do that the other can't... whether one is a better choice than the other is a completely individual and subjective thing... none of your points in favour of the CM over the Swede apply to me... I am an under 300 yard hunter, I never shoot factory ammo and I never leave my ammo at home or forget it somewhere on a hunt, I don't care about whether the rifle I am using is a short action or long action... so for me the CM is a nice cartridge that I don't need or want... one factor in favour (for me) of both the Swede and the H&H is history, that is something intangible that I value. I have two M77's in the Swede and H&H, neither will be replaced with the "new" versions. None of this is to say, that if there is a particular rifle platform that I am interested in that is only offered in either the 6.5 CM or the .375 Ruger, I won't buy it... as I certainly will, as they are both very good cartridges IMO, there is just nothing that compels me to run out and buy them for the cartridges sake.
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The love for the 6.5x55 in this thread seems to have blinded people from simple common sense. It may be popular in europe, and with hand loaders over here, but it may as well be a 300 H&H is superior to other 30 cals thread.
I'm not sure if this has just become a location for people to troll or to get their daily dose of drama in, but it appears the need to down talk the creedmoor makes them feel better about their love of owning an obsolete caliber.
The swede has a pinch more velocity than the creed, and you can buy some cheap old used mauser actions in that caliber, that is ALL that it has going for it other than some romanticized nostalgia and time spent rolling your own for it.
I'm not sure if this has just become a location for people to troll or to get their daily dose of drama in, but it appears the need to down talk the creedmoor makes them feel better about their love of owning an obsolete caliber.
The swede has a pinch more velocity than the creed, and you can buy some cheap old used mauser actions in that caliber, that is ALL that it has going for it other than some romanticized nostalgia and time spent rolling your own for it.
Anything European.... Mauser, Merkel, Sako, Tikka, Sauer, Verney, Zastava, CZ, Schultz & Larsen, Sabbati, Bergara, Walther, Anschutz, etc... every gun maker in Europe makes something in 6.5x55, it's a looong list.
North America...Ruger, Cooper, Remington, Winchester, Howa, just to name a couple, I'm sure there are more.
Used market BSA, HVA, Parker Hale, CG, Zoli, Voere, BRNO, Heym, Lakelander, Krico, Varberger, few million 38/96 spotters, and thousands of target CG63etc and S&L M69's.
Really, like where could I ever get one? I have an old BSA CF2 in 6.5x55 that cost me a whopping $450 and it shoots better then Chuck's 6.5CM custom...no offense to Chuck or his rifle I'm sure it will settle in.
Brass, I use Norma, $60/100 for 1F from Tradex.
I’ve put less than 20 rounds through mine. I’d love to see your five shot groups. Laughing.
Nearing on 200 posts here and the conclusion here is that a 6.5 creedmoor does nothing the swede can't in the hands of a hunter other than be chambered in slightly different new production rifles.
Is that really that important that either side needs to get their panties in such a twist?
Is that really that important that either side needs to get their panties in such a twist?
I'll take some pics next time out... it's fairly new to me, I haven't put 50 rounds through it yet, but have settled on a load it likes.
In the mean time, here's some targets shot with factory rifles all at 100m
Savage 10 in 308.
Vanguard 243.
Howa 223
1940's era HVA 9.3x62...yes only 3 shots, because it kicks like a mule.
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I think there's guys on here that have been shooting the 6.5x55 for decades longer then the 6.5CM has been around, both for target and game, and they fully understand the difference, it's a step backwards in performance, but a step forward in factory supported ammo. Factory ammo means ZERO to any reloader, and the 6.5x55 is already mild enough.
The 6.5CM doesn't shoot better, or flatter, or kill stuff different. People have been doing all that for 100 years with the 6.5x55 already.
It's the hype around something that has been around for 100 years that we can't understand...."Oh, they put slightly poorer 6.5x55 performance in a short action cartridge/rifle?" Big whoop lol.
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I'll start by saying I don't own either, I'm just following this for entertainment.
It seems to me that the guys saying they like 6.5 CM aren't saying it's better in every way, they are just pointing out advantages to them presented by the cartridge. Things like many accurate new rifles chambered in it at a reasonable price, as well as ammo and component availability
The 6.5x55 side seems to keep saying that the 100+ year old cartridge is better because allows a few FPS faster and a bit flatter trajectory with hand loads. Then point out all the other 6.5mm cartridges out there that are even better the 6.5 CM with hand loading.
What it seems to come down to is hand loaders on CGN like the 6.5x55(and all the other 6.5s), and people who shoot mostly factory like 6.5 CM.
A bit of history on where the post originated from is perhaps due.
I was asked this question basically from my 12 year old grandson while we were hunting last fall. His friends were all telling him about the 6,5 CM and how great it is, and he asked me what is the difference, and which is better. {He shoots a 6.5 x 55 I cut down for him , I shoot a couple 6.5 x 55's too. }
I realy didn't have an answer , so we looked up some tables expecting to see super ballistic improvements in favour of the CM , which we didn't find., and this led me to just ask , basically why the CM has suddenly become so popular .
It seems both are more than adequate for our use, and neither has any real advantage for sensible range hunting .
I was asked this question basically from my 12 year old grandson while we were hunting last fall. His friends were all telling him about the 6,5 CM and how great it is, and he asked me what is the difference, and which is better. {He shoots a 6.5 x 55 I cut down for him , I shoot a couple 6.5 x 55's too. }
I realy didn't have an answer , so we looked up some tables expecting to see super ballistic improvements in favour of the CM , which we didn't find., and this led me to just ask , basically why the CM has suddenly become so popular .
It seems both are more than adequate for our use, and neither has any real advantage for sensible range hunting .
I'm pretty sure it was said already.... marketing and affordable factory match ammo was behind the success of the 6.5CM. You can buy Lapua, Norma, RWS, etc match ammo for the 6.5x55 (and 308/222/223/6.5x47/6.5CM and a host of others) at $3/shot. That's never been very popular with anyone unless a match specifies everyone uses the same factory ammo like old ISSF days. Now drop that to $1/shot and more people are interested.
Is factory 6.5CM hunting ammo cheaper then everything else in the 243Win-308 range? No, it's not, same prices.
So we get the appeal, it's not that expensive to shoot, and it's accuracy is decent. It's just nothing really new or exciting or groundbreaking, at least not in the centerfire world because we can reload match ammo cheaper, much much cheaper, for a few already established cartridges.
The 17HMR was the most impressive break through in my lifetime in the ammo design world. Just like the 308 didn't diminish popularity of the 30'06 as much as everyone thought, I don't see the 6.5CM dethroning the 6.5x55 anytime soon.
You are hilarious. Call any company that makes rifles, ammo, or reloading equipment and ask them what the best selling .264 cartridge is. I bet they don’t tell you 6.5x55 lol.
Just to hit this one more time because you don’t seem to get it. The differences are not trivial, one is better. And that’s why it’s more popular. If you want to shoot game at 300 yards and in and handload, it makes no difference. But there is more to the shooting world than that.
Want a semi auto? Creedmoor
Want a rifle that fits in chassis systems and takes standard AICS mags? Creedmoor
Better rifle selection? Creedmoor
Better ammo selection? Creedmoor
I have thousands of rounds through both, the Creedmoor is better because it fits in a short action. Period. More versatile and can to used in a host of actions and designs that the swed cannot. Check out any Fclass or PRS leagues. Everyone is using 6 and 6.5 CM for a reason. If the 6.5x55 had a competitive edge, people would use that.
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