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fat tony
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Dumb online sources. They must copy and paste the crap info around. I suspected it was the ANM2 .30 cal . More closely related to .50 cal. but correct me if wrong. Surprisingly little info on the ANM2 .30 cal or .303 or other versions has been uploaded - shame.
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My uncle ( who passed away years ago) was a fitter with 135(F) squadron . He told me about the incident when the hanger got shot up. The ultimate AD? I always assumed it happened at Terrace where he spent most of his service career. Squadron flew P-40 Kittyhawks from Terrace. I would take him to Hamilton Air Show every year in the 70's. He would tear up a bit if there was a P-40 attending.
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So glad the folks at VWC didn't succumb to the weird penchant P-40 owners seem to have for shark mouths. It's been grossly overdone.
So glad the folks at VWC didn't succumb to the weird penchant P-40 owners seem to have for shark mouths. It's been grossly overdone.
Smellie's post # 14580 is interesting about the Hurricanes having 12 guns, which I assume were .303s.
I had thought that the Miles M-20 prototype with fixed landing gear with 12 .303 machine guns and 5,000 was the most.
" To reduce production time the M.20 employed all-wood construction and used many parts from the earlier Miles Master trainer, lacked hydraulics, and had spatted fixed landing gear. The fixed undercarriage freed space and payload sufficient for twelve .303 Browning machine guns and 5000 rounds, and 154 Imperial gallons (700 litres) of fuel (double the range and ammunition capacity of the Hawker Hurricane and Supermarine Spitfire).[4] The M.20 was fitted with a bubble canopy for improved 360-degree vision.
In line with a design philosophy emphasising simplicity, speed and re-using available components, the engine was a Rolls-Royce Merlin XX "power egg" identical to those used on Merlin-powered Avro Lancasters and Bristol Beaufighters. This conferred flight performance that fell between those of the Britain's two frontline fighters ".
From; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.20
I had thought that the Miles M-20 prototype with fixed landing gear with 12 .303 machine guns and 5,000 was the most.
" To reduce production time the M.20 employed all-wood construction and used many parts from the earlier Miles Master trainer, lacked hydraulics, and had spatted fixed landing gear. The fixed undercarriage freed space and payload sufficient for twelve .303 Browning machine guns and 5000 rounds, and 154 Imperial gallons (700 litres) of fuel (double the range and ammunition capacity of the Hawker Hurricane and Supermarine Spitfire).[4] The M.20 was fitted with a bubble canopy for improved 360-degree vision.
In line with a design philosophy emphasising simplicity, speed and re-using available components, the engine was a Rolls-Royce Merlin XX "power egg" identical to those used on Merlin-powered Avro Lancasters and Bristol Beaufighters. This conferred flight performance that fell between those of the Britain's two frontline fighters ".
From; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.20
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Static tests conducted by the British to see damage done by the German Mk108 30mm aircraft mounted cannon on their airframes. Damage on a airframe flyinag at any speed would be more fatal.
https://thunder-games.livejournal.com/232906.html
On the Mk108
The MK 108 (German: Maschinenkanone—"machine cannon") was a 30 mm caliber autocannon manufactured in Germany during World War II by Rheinmetall‑Borsig for use in aircraft.
The weapon was developed as a private venture by the company in 1940 and was submitted to the Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM—Reich Aviation Ministry) in response to a 1942 requirement for a heavy aircraft weapon for use against the Allied heavy bombers appearing over German-controlled regions by then. Testing verified that the autocannon was well-suited to this role, requiring on average just four hits with its 85g RDX-load (in a 330g shell) and a resulting strongly brisant high-explosive ammunition, to bring down a heavy bomber such as a B-17 Flying Fortress or B-24 Liberator, and just a single "shattering" hit to down a fighter. In comparison, the otherwise excellent 20 mm MG 151/20 (3g of HE in 57g shell) required an average of 25 hits to down a B-17.
The MK 108 was quickly ordered into production and was installed in a variety of Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. It saw first operational service in late autumn 1943 with the Bf 110G-2 bomber destroyers and in the Bf 109G-6/U4.
The MK 108 saw widespread use among fighters tasked with shooting down enemy bombers. Some of the aircraft deploying, or intended to be armed, with the MK 108 were Messerschmitt Bf 109, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Messerschmitt Me 163, Messerschmitt Me 262, Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Focke-Wulf Ta 152, Focke-Wulf Ta 154, Heinkel He 162, Heinkel He 219, Horten Ho 229 and Junkers Ju 388.
https://thunder-games.livejournal.com/232906.html
On the Mk108
The MK 108 (German: Maschinenkanone—"machine cannon") was a 30 mm caliber autocannon manufactured in Germany during World War II by Rheinmetall‑Borsig for use in aircraft.
The weapon was developed as a private venture by the company in 1940 and was submitted to the Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM—Reich Aviation Ministry) in response to a 1942 requirement for a heavy aircraft weapon for use against the Allied heavy bombers appearing over German-controlled regions by then. Testing verified that the autocannon was well-suited to this role, requiring on average just four hits with its 85g RDX-load (in a 330g shell) and a resulting strongly brisant high-explosive ammunition, to bring down a heavy bomber such as a B-17 Flying Fortress or B-24 Liberator, and just a single "shattering" hit to down a fighter. In comparison, the otherwise excellent 20 mm MG 151/20 (3g of HE in 57g shell) required an average of 25 hits to down a B-17.
The MK 108 was quickly ordered into production and was installed in a variety of Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. It saw first operational service in late autumn 1943 with the Bf 110G-2 bomber destroyers and in the Bf 109G-6/U4.
The MK 108 saw widespread use among fighters tasked with shooting down enemy bombers. Some of the aircraft deploying, or intended to be armed, with the MK 108 were Messerschmitt Bf 109, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Messerschmitt Me 163, Messerschmitt Me 262, Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Focke-Wulf Ta 152, Focke-Wulf Ta 154, Heinkel He 162, Heinkel He 219, Horten Ho 229 and Junkers Ju 388.
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We know what a "dorsal" turret is. Does that make the lower rear gunner's position on an Avenger an "anal" turret?
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Depends on the gunner's social skills and attitude. Calling someone a "radioman/anal gunner" kinda sets a tone, doesn't it?
The Miles M.20 is a new one for me - thanks for the introduction, Sail.
I like it. Like a 5/8 scale Typhoon with a Corsair tail.
Depends on the gunner's social skills and attitude. Calling someone a "radioman/anal gunner" kinda sets a tone, doesn't it?
The Miles M.20 is a new one for me - thanks for the introduction, Sail.
Thanks. Never heard of this one.
Sounds a little more socially acceptable.
Looks like it would make a good RC model. Another candidate for a "shark's mouth" motif ....... just for Dan!
Depends on the gunner's social skills and attitude. Calling someone a "radioman/anal gunner" kinda sets a tone, doesn't it?
The Miles M.20 is a new one for me - thanks for the introduction, Sail.
I like it. Like a 5/8 scale Typhoon with a Corsair tail.
It is amazing what you can learn here, thanks guys.
The Miles M.52 was a turbojet-powered supersonic research aircraft project designed in the United Kingdom in the mid-1940s. In October 1943, Miles Aircraft was issued with a contract to produce the aircraft in accordance with Air Ministry Specification E.24/43. The programme was highly ambitious for its time, aiming to produce an aircraft and engine capable of unheard-of speeds of at least 1,000 miles per hour (1,600 km/h) during level flight, and involved a very high proportion of cutting-edge aerodynamic research and innovative design work.
Between 1942 and 1945, all work on the project was undertaken with a high level of secrecy. In February 1946, the programme was terminated by the new Labour government of Clement Attlee, seemingly due to budgetary reasons, as well as a disbelief held by some ministry officials on the viability of supersonic aircraft in general. In September 1946, the existence of the M.52 was revealed to the general public, leading to calls for official explanation as to why the project had been terminated and derision of the decision. The Air Ministry controversially decided to revive the design, but as a series of unmanned rocket-powered 30 per cent scale models instead of the original manned full-scale aircraft that had been previously under development. These unmanned scale models were air-launched from a modified de Havilland Mosquito mother ship.
During one successful test flight, Mach 1.38 was achieved by a scale model in normally controllable transonic and supersonic level flight, a unique achievement at that time which validated the aerodynamics of the M.52. At that point, the ministry had cancelled that project and issued a new requirement, which would ultimately result in the English Electric Lightning interceptor aircraft. Work on the afterburning version of the Power Jets W.B.2/700 turbojet was also cancelled and the Power Jets company was incorporated into the National Gas Turbine Establishment. Many believe[weasel words] the design and the research gained from the M.52 was shared with the American company Bell Aircraft.
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