Dangerous game short range match. The challenge is on!

Happiness is a box of empties and a sore shoulder ;)

As a side note, I just found the other day that this bad boy will hold 6 down and 1 in the tube! I had never tried any more than 5. Not that I would ever need it but that's pretty awesome. Does every CZ 550 magnum hold that many? Or does mine have a special magazine box maybe?

My CZ 550 Magnum .375 H&H will hold 6 down and 1 in the pipe.
 
Let's just get out there and shoot powerful long guns as fast as we can into the smallest possible group at 25 yards for honorary bragging rights.

Video if possible please!

Have FUN!

I'm even going to try it with my SxS Outlaw and a rubber band!
 
OK here is a draft of the rules for the dangerous game honour match.

If there are any suggestions or changes that you want for these rules, please let me know ASAP.

The winner will be based on the lowest score (group size (inches) x time (seconds)) for a rapid-fire, 3 round group, as many tries as you wish before the deadline of March 30, 2007, with any medium/big bore (.338 calibre or larger) rifle or shotgun (20 gauge or larger slugs only), loaded with full power ammunition at 25 yards, freehand standing or kneeling, no slings, any sights that you feel are appropriate for close range, dangerous game.

There will be an also-ran category in which ANY calibre may be used.

For those who have a lower tolerance for danger and better shooting skills, a 50 yard range can be used in a separate category from the 25 yard range.

Please post your results with: Rifle/shotgun model, calibre/gauge, bullet/slug weight and velocity (use the factory specs if you don't have a chrony or just guestimate), group size, time elapsed from first shot to last (3rd) and finally your score.

Eg.

BRNO 602 .375 H&H
300 gr Federal softpoint
2500 fps
Group size: 5.5"
Time: 4.2 seconds
Score: 23.1 (Hopefully I can do better than this! :D )

Post photos of your groups and links to videos of your performances if you can.

If you have access to an IPSC style timer, great, but otherwise have a partner time or video your string and time it off the video.

If you have any comments or tips (positive or negative) on your or your firearms performance, include that in your post eg. my Mossberg 500 had problems extracting empties etc. This info might be valuable to other users.

This will function on the honor system. And let's have some fun and make some noise! :dancingbanana:


Time for a bump to the top, I think...

Finally got around to giving this a try. I had hoped to be able to post video, but due to a technical glitch involving not pushing the right buttons, you'll have to settle for stills. I may take another stab at this later, and try for video footage next time. It's a pity it didn't turn out, because it certainly would have been entertaining.

Timing was done with a Pact Mk IV XP timer, first shot at the beep.
Shotgun slugs were Rottweil Exact. 12 ga., 2 3/4"
9.3 ammo was a mix of factory Remington core lokt ( aka, Hornady SP), handloaded Hornadys and Norma Alaskas. Velocity was 2300 fps for the Remington, around 2350 for the handloads.
First, the culprits:
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Top is an Ithaca 37 that has been turned into a slug/turkey gun.
Bottom is my customized Husqvarna in 9.3x62, with a fixed power Leupold M8 3x.

Next, the results:

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I only did two runs with the shotgun, because I had a limited number of slugs on hand. First run was aborted the when the second round blew my target stand apart. This is the second run. Everything is grouped off to the right, so I may have to do some sight adjustment before I try again.

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I did several runs with the 9.3mm. This is the second best. Speed is there, accuracy is not.

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Best run of the day with the 9.3.

Some observations:

I tried both open sights and the scope for the 9.3mm. There was a slight difference in speed, but a big one in terms of accuracy. I was simply faster and more accurate with the scope. That might be different if the range was 10 yards, rather than 25-30. It also helped validate my choice of optics; I felt like I had plenty of field of view at that distance, and probably even closer, but I don't think a lower power, like a 1.5x, would have improved either my speed or accuracy.

The mediocre showing of the open sights may have been due to lighting, though I don't think so, or more likely aging eyes. If I had my 20-yr old eyes back again, I think they would have made a much better showing.

The timer showed that I was pretty consistent with a reaction time of 0.25 seconds for the first shot from the beep. My fastest first shot was 0.17 seconds, the slowest, about half a second. That's because the crosshairs had wandered off by themselves, and it took me a while to get them back again.
I had two feed jams, both with Norma Alaskas, on the 2nd round. This was surprising, because with the pointed nose I thought it would be more reliable than that. The nose of the bullet was catching on the chamber mouth.

I also had one "misfire". On the 3rd shot, I didn't get the bolt closed all the way. On a Mauser, it's a safety feature that the rifle can't be fired unless the bolt is fully closed. If it is even slightly open, the firing pin will rotate the bolt into the closed position. When this happens the firing pin no longer has enough energy to detonate the primer.

Like I said, the video would have been entertaining.

Ithaca 12 gauge: 3.56 seconds x 5 inches = 17.5
9.3x62, 1st run: 3.34 seconds x 5.25 inches= 17.5
9.3x62, 2nd run: 3.58 seconds x 2.75 inches= 9.8

Again, those times are from the timer, not the first shot. If you want to adjust, deduct the first shot times written on the targets.
 
Necro thread revival alert!!!!!!!!

With the arrival of the AR styled Turkish semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns, these may represent a new challenge to the lever/pump domination of this match up till now.

I am going to try the match with my Alpharms 15SA and slugs...................

It is reliable 100% with slugs and buckshot but I'm still uncertain as to whether or not I'd depend on it (ie. a box fed semiauto shotgun) for short range stopping over my time tested guns like my JM 1895GS, BRNO 602 or my HP9-1.

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Niether are ejectors so i have to tilt the gun up to dump the empties. My 458 wm takes 3. It wears a 2-7x32 scope and irons. When we get some decent weather ill try them out.
Ive got a bunch of hot loaded slugs to shoot off to
 
I'm into doing this again but I will give everyone a break = I'll use a 14" barreled single shot T/C Contender carbine in either 375JDJ or 45-70.

Just need to find the ole video camera and time to get out.
 
Here's my first attempt with my Marlin 1895GS 45-70 with my top loaded 405gr RNFPGC Bullet Barn cast bullets @ 1950fps.

I can only time the shots by watching the timer on the video clip but it looks like 3 seconds for the 3 shots in both of the video clips. The first attempt resulted in a 4 1/2" 25 yard group and the second attempt was a 4 3/4" 25 yard group.

Here's a link to YouTube...

1st attempt... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCl_1lsta4

2nd attempt... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XdONEdTYs

Here's a link to the photo of me with both targets taken by fellow CGNTZ Unibomber he signed the targets after he took the picture. The first group is in my left hand and if I measured all 6 shots combined they measure about 5 1/4"... :D

All groups where measured from outside to outside of the widest shots.

http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php?photo=463474&sort=7&thecat=500&password=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AVr7gNmrU

glad these can still be viewed. practice makes perfect, attago
 
I dont have any fancy cameras or timers but i can have a buddy use my phone to record it.
I load a 400gr woodlieghs to 2400 fps and 500 gr woodlieghs to between 2125 and 2200.

So its 3 shots at 25 yards tightest groups and best times right? Or 4 shots with the doubles for fun
 
I dont have any fancy cameras or timers but i can have a buddy use my phone to record it.
I load a 400gr woodlieghs to 2400 fps and 500 gr woodlieghs to between 2125 and 2200.

So its 3 shots at 25 yards tightest groups and best times right? Or 4 shots with the doubles for fun

3 shots at 25 yards yes but 4 shots with a double will be almost the same time......
 
Rules would be, best rapid-fire, 3 round group, as many tries as you wish before the deadline, with any medium/big bore rifle or shotgun, loaded with full power ammunition at 25 yards, freehand standing or kneeling, no slings, any sights...

This would function on the honor system.


50 yards could be a second option, no problem. My personal shoot distance is 25 yards so that's what I originally proposed.

I suggest timing the period between the first shot and the last shot. Then we could score it like this:

Score = Group size (in inches) x Time (seconds)

Lowest score wins.

Game, especially dangerous game, to be dispatched 1 shot DRT. Things have gone sideways - IDLF (immediate danger to life or health) - if subsequent shots are needed on dangerous game.

But this rapid fire shoot sounds like fun. I could use one of my autoloaders, my 35 Whelen Remington 7400 or my 44 magnum Ruger Deerfield Carbine. Then one of my bolt action 40+'s for comparison.
 
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