what does a 6.5 creedmore do that a 6.5 x 55 doesn't?

The PRS and F-class crowd are big into 6mm and 6.5mm both of which shoot flatter and drift less than a 308win. 6.5 Creedmoor stays sonic out to 1600 yds. I believe the 308 win stays sonic to 1200-1300 yds. 6.5 also recoils less so the shooter can spot his shots. The traits that make a creedmoor a good long range target rifle also make it an accurate hunting cartridge. At long range it retains its energy better than a 308. Of course there's no real difference at normal hunting ranges but the CM gets it done with less recoil. I believe the Creedmoor would be an excellent choice for a light weight hunting rifle, by the way! Kimber chambers it. I don't own a creedmoor or any cartridge in 264cal. I hunt with a 270win. If I was going to buy a new rifle and the choice was between the 6.5 CM or 6.5x55, I would go with the CM without hesitation. I have nothing against the swede or the 260rem, they are excellent cartridges, every bit as good as the CM for hunting. I think the CM would be a better all around cartridge for me. Its all about splitting hairs, with all cartridges.
 
chuck nelson said:
Where are the proponents saying that it is a revolutionary big game killer?
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You answer a question with a question.
It has no new relevance as a hunting cartridge. And I have used its big brother on a fair number of western big game. Nothing bigger than a WT mind you.
And it killed. Recoil? Ballistic profile? As expected from a short action non magnum case.
 
Buckmastr said:
You answer a question with a question.
It has no new relevance as a hunting cartridge. And I have used its big brother on a fair number of western big game. Nothing bigger than a WT mind you.
And it killed. Recoil? Ballistic profile? As expected from a short action non magnum case.
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And again, you are missing the point entirely. As a cartridge it has positive merits. No one has asked you to give up what you have, but if someone is looking to add a 6.5 to their battery the CM makes a ton of sense. No one has said it makes sense because it kills better. They are saying the case design, including OAL, body taper, shoulder angle, and consistent throating, along with rifle and factory ammunition offerings which are proving to be very accurate make it worth considering.
 
chuck nelson said:
And again, you are missing the point entirely. As a cartridge it has positive merits........They are saying the case design, including OAL, body taper, shoulder angle, and consistent throating, along with rifle and factory ammunition offerings which are proving to be very accurate make it worth considering.
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You have confused the merits of the creedmoor as a target rifle with those needed for hunting. Again.
You may pretend that a good target round makes an even better hunting cartridge. But you can't argue the 6.5 is still a small hunting calibre.
 
pete dobinson said:
The PRS and F-class crowd are big into 6mm and 6.5mm both of which shoot flatter and drift less than a 308win. 6.5 Creedmoor stays sonic out to 1600 yds. I believe the 308 win stays sonic to 1200-1300 yds. 6.5 also recoils less so the shooter can spot his shots. The traits that make a creedmoor a good long range target rifle also make it an accurate hunting cartridge. At long range it retains its energy better than a 308. Of course there's no real difference at normal hunting ranges but the CM gets it done with less recoil. I believe the Creedmoor would be an excellent choice for a light weight hunting rifle, by the way! Kimber chambers it. I don't own a creedmoor or any cartridge in 264cal. I hunt with a 270win. If I was going to buy a new rifle and the choice was between the 6.5 CM or 6.5x55, I would go with the CM without hesitation. I have nothing against the swede or the 260rem, they are excellent cartridges, every bit as good as the CM for hunting. I think the CM would be a better all around cartridge for me. Its all about splitting hairs, with all cartridges.
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I think this is a pretty good summation. A lot of what's going on in this thread reminds me of the old theological dilemma of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I don't think the hair splitting is that important. Some people like vanilla, some like vanilla with a slightly different taste, and others (myself included) like them both.
 
pete dobinson said:
The PRS and F-class crowd are big into 6mm and 6.5mm both of which shoot flatter and drift less than a 308win. 6.5 Creedmoor stays sonic out to 1600 yds. I believe the 308 win stays sonic to 1200-1300 yds. 6.5 also recoils less so the shooter can spot his shots. The traits that make a creedmoor a good long range target rifle also make it an accurate hunting cartridge. At long range it retains its energy better than a 308. Of course there's no real difference at normal hunting ranges but the CM gets it done with less recoil. I believe the Creedmoor would be an excellent choice for a light weight hunting rifle, by the way! Kimber chambers it. I don't own a creedmoor or any cartridge in 264cal. I hunt with a 270win. If I was going to buy a new rifle and the choice was between the 6.5 CM or 6.5x55, I would go with the CM without hesitation. I have nothing against the swede or the 260rem, they are excellent cartridges, every bit as good as the CM for hunting. I think the CM would be a better all around cartridge for me. Its all about splitting hairs, with all cartridges.
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So why is the Creedmoor not being used by the top level F-Class shooters? Other 6.5 cartridges including the 6.5x47 and 260rem were present.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/SW_Nationals/2018-swn-equipment-list-open.pdf
 
stubblejumper said:
But why wasn't the Creedmoor being used while the 260rem and 6.5x47 were present? If the Creedmoor really is a superior design, why aren't the top level shooters all using It?
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You would have to ask them. The 284 completely dominates that chart, then a smattering of other cartridges. There are even more 300 WSM used than 260 or 65x47 combined.
 
chuck nelson said:
What good is a cartridge like that to the general shooting populas? Almost ZERO.
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The general shooting populas is changing. From hunters to long range sniper types. From people experienced in killing game humanely, to those who want to tell you how far they shot it. Hornady knows this and exploited it. Brought us the creedmoor and the eldx line. They don't care if it's used responsibly.
Ethics. Honesty. Almost zero is right.
 
stubblejumper said:
So why is the Creedmoor not being used by the top level F-Class shooters? Other 6.5 cartridges including the 6.5x47 and 260rem were present.
http://www.bergerbullets.com/SW_Nationals/2018-swn-equipment-list-open.pdf
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Why are you asking me. I'm no expert and don't pretend to be. I do know what I have researched though. The Creedmoor could have easily made that list with the other 6.5's. There are plenty of matches where the Creedmoor is used. Where in my post does it say it's the only cartridge used? The 6.5-284 and the big 7's still have an edge at long range, they have more velocity.
 
Gatehouse said:
Looks like they are mostly using 284's in that match.
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I can’t keep up with this thread... first we’re talking about 6.5CM vs. 6.5x55, then after that one gets explained people start comparing it to the 308 Win which is obviously ridiculous. Then we’re talking about the 284 which has a case capacity of 66.2 gr of H20. 50% bigger, clearly not a reasonable comparison. Now we’re apparently discussing the 6.5x47, which I’ll be the first to tell you is every bit as good or better than the Creedmoor. If Lapua had done a better job making it commercially available we probably wouldn’t have a Creedmoor.

I believe this argument has reached its natural conclusion that we will all just have to agree to disagree. That’s the beauty of open market, buy whatever you like and shoot the hell of out it. I’ll do the same.
 
prevost12 said:
I can’t keep up with this thread... first we’re talking about 6.5CM vs. 6.5x55, then after that one gets explained people start comparing it to the 308 Win which is obviously ridiculous. Then we’re talking about the 284 which has a case capacity of 66.2 gr of H20. 50% bigger, clearly not a reasonable comparison. Now we’re apparently discussing the 6.5x47, which I’ll be the first to tell you is every bit as good or better than the Creedmoor. If Lapua had done a better job making it commercially available we probably wouldn’t have a Creedmoor.

I believe this argument has reached its natural conclusion that we will all just have to agree to disagree. That’s the beauty of open market, buy whatever you like and shoot the hell of out it. I’ll do the same.
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Then let me bring it back to the original question.
Thread: what does a 6.5 creedmore do that a 6.5 x 55 doesn't?
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I will re-submit my original answer. If the F class shooters, who are absolutely concerned about measurable results, are NOT using it, then those "advantages" of cartridge design that the Creedmoor fans are always pointing out obviously don't really make enough difference. The results of that posted competition prove that, what the Creedmoor does that others don't is ...... wait for it ...... nothing.
 
prevost12 said:
I can’t keep up with this thread... first we’re talking about 6.5CM vs. 6.5x55, then after that one gets explained people start comparing it to the 308 Win which is obviously ridiculous. Then we’re talking about the 284 which has a case capacity of 66.2 gr of H20. 50% bigger, clearly not a reasonable comparison. Now we’re apparently discussing the 6.5x47, which I’ll be the first to tell you is every bit as good or better than the Creedmoor. If Lapua had done a better job making it commercially available we probably wouldn’t have a Creedmoor.

I believe this argument has reached its natural conclusion that we will all just have to agree to disagree. That’s the beauty of open market, buy whatever you like and shoot the hell of out it. I’ll do the same.
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Well how about that... I see the ancient 6.5x55 being used but not a single 6.5CM lol.
I guess THAT settles it which is the preferred F class cartridge for top shooters between the 2.
 
chuck nelson said:
What good is a cartridge like that to the general shooting populas? Almost ZERO.
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You talk about case design and inherent accuracy with the 6.5CM which is slower then the 260/6.5x55, but then completely dismiss the same benefits of a cartridge case that has a touch more bang then a 300Win and comes non-belted.
Hippocratic much?
 
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