This was intended as a joke when Wanstalls preorder fiasco happened.
M10x Unboxing
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This was intended as a joke when Wanstalls preorder fiasco happened.
Well I got out to the range with my M10X this morning. I originally tried it with a Meprolight red dot but switched to a Bushnell AR Optic 3-12X for accuracy testing and I shot at 12X with parallax dialed out.
It likes to feed Dominion and Hornady ammo but its far from reliable with Norinco copper washed ammo. I had one round that just did not want to come out and I had to drive the charging handle into the table a few times to clear it.
Accuracy in general was less than I expected and not as good as my Chinese SKS. Closer to my scoped Marlin 30-30.
Accuracy with Hornady ammo was best of the 3 types tested but nothing I would brag about. Smallest 5 shot group at 100 meters was 2.75 inches. Most we closer to 4 inches. Some were a little worse.
My feeling is that it would probably shot better with some work on the gas system. I tried running it with the gas off, but setting to 0 is not really off. But at 0 I shot the best groups.
I would like to see the gas system adjustment more positive and tactile because its kind of wishy washy and I was never quite sure it was where I wanted it.
I did have a little trouble inserting the mag sometimes because if I wasn't quite vertical it got stuck and I'd have to work it lose again.
Overall I do like the rifle even though this feedback probably sounds a little harsh.
Since they call it a DMR rifle I was honestly expecting better accuracy.
Hopefully other guys are getting better accuracy than I did.
The stuck casing is probably a result of a not cleaned chamber and lacquer built up in it is my guess. As for an sks being more accurate I'd love to see an actual vid proving that.
I'll deliver on my report once my wrist is healed up and put it side by side with a T81, Cz858, Vz58 etc.... to see real results.
Funny as Norc non corrosive ammo is some of the best x39 ammo I have shot, and I've shoot alot of it thru many different rifles
Any real report ?
Soon enough
I also made it to the range today. Lousy weather and Lightning warnings kept me indoors at Phoenix Indoor Range and Gun Shop in South Edmonton. After some pistol work I took the M10X into the rifle bay which is limited to 40 yds. I was using a Vortex Viper PST II, 1-6X optic in a Kinetic Development Group QD Cantilever Mount.
The ammo was Western Metals remanufactured 125 gr Softpoint in brass cases. Phoenix, like many indoor ranges does not allow ammo with any steel components to be fired due to potential backstop damage.
The rifle fed and ejected 60 rounds of the Softpoint ammo without a stoppage. Feeding was with 5/30 PMag M3s, 5/20 PMag MOEs and 5/30 Russian Bakelite. Extraction and ejection were very positive at 2 o' clock and 7'-10' distance. The Trigger is light at 3 lbs average pull, but has a long single-stage take-up leading to a surprise break. Recoil was light, as you would expect with a 12 lb (scoped) rifle firing 7.62x39mm ammo.
This was the best of 11 x 5-round groups fired for size at 40 yds. The group measured 1.25" - .308" = .94" or just under 1 MOA. Extrapolating to 100 yds, this group would be right around 2 MOA.
Below was an average group measuring 1.84" - .308" = 1.53", or 3 MOA at 100 yds.
Another average group measuring 1.95" - .308" = 1.64", or just over 3 MOA at 100 yds.
A third, lesser group measuring 2.30" - .308" = 1.99" or just under 4 MOA at 100 yds.
And so it went, with the average group size hovering around 1.5" to 1.7" at 40 yds or 3 to 3.5 MOA at 100 yds (extrapolated). I said in an earlier post that I would be satisfied if the M10X grouped 3 MOA at 100 yds with non-corrosive, surplus ammo. Based on an ammo sample of 1 load only, I believe the M10X has demonstrated this ability thus far in a very small and limited test. That is of course, without discounting any fliers, which would have resulted in much smaller/tighter group sizes.
Hopefully my modest little test will go a ways towards satisfying the burning desire on the part of some folks to see a documented accuracy test with the M10X. I believe that with a load it likes, the M10X will be a 2 MOA rifle. With surplus fodder I believe that 3 to 4 MOA is to be expected. That is good enough for me and meets my expectations for the rifle and its calibre.
For all of the haters, I am sorry to disappoint, but there were no 12 MOA results - not even close....
As always, YMMV. To all of the other M10X owners out there, relax - your new rifle will most likely group 2 MOA or better if you perform some load development, which is well within specifications for a military firearm and (I think) suitable for a general-purpose utility rifle like the M10X. Otherwise, expect approximately 3 to 4 MOA for surplus plinking fodder. In other words, right in the ballpark for reasonable expectations of a 7.62x39mm-chambered semi-automatic rifle.
The ammo was Western Metals remanufactured 125 gr Softpoint in brass cases. Phoenix, like many indoor ranges does not allow ammo with any steel components to be fired due to potential backstop damage.
The rifle fed and ejected 60 rounds of the Softpoint ammo without a stoppage. Feeding was with 5/30 PMag M3s, 5/20 PMag MOEs and 5/30 Russian Bakelite. Extraction and ejection were very positive at 2 o' clock and 7'-10' distance. The Trigger is light at 3 lbs average pull, but has a long single-stage take-up leading to a surprise break. Recoil was light, as you would expect with a 12 lb (scoped) rifle firing 7.62x39mm ammo.
This was the best of 11 x 5-round groups fired for size at 40 yds. The group measured 1.25" - .308" = .94" or just under 1 MOA. Extrapolating to 100 yds, this group would be right around 2 MOA.
Below was an average group measuring 1.84" - .308" = 1.53", or 3 MOA at 100 yds.
Another average group measuring 1.95" - .308" = 1.64", or just over 3 MOA at 100 yds.
A third, lesser group measuring 2.30" - .308" = 1.99" or just under 4 MOA at 100 yds.
And so it went, with the average group size hovering around 1.5" to 1.7" at 40 yds or 3 to 3.5 MOA at 100 yds (extrapolated). I said in an earlier post that I would be satisfied if the M10X grouped 3 MOA at 100 yds with non-corrosive, surplus ammo. Based on an ammo sample of 1 load only, I believe the M10X has demonstrated this ability thus far in a very small and limited test. That is of course, without discounting any fliers, which would have resulted in much smaller/tighter group sizes.
Hopefully my modest little test will go a ways towards satisfying the burning desire on the part of some folks to see a documented accuracy test with the M10X. I believe that with a load it likes, the M10X will be a 2 MOA rifle. With surplus fodder I believe that 3 to 4 MOA is to be expected. That is good enough for me and meets my expectations for the rifle and its calibre.
For all of the haters, I am sorry to disappoint, but there were no 12 MOA results - not even close....
As always, YMMV. To all of the other M10X owners out there, relax - your new rifle will most likely group 2 MOA or better if you perform some load development, which is well within specifications for a military firearm and (I think) suitable for a general-purpose utility rifle like the M10X. Otherwise, expect approximately 3 to 4 MOA for surplus plinking fodder. In other words, right in the ballpark for reasonable expectations of a 7.62x39mm-chambered semi-automatic rifle.
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r34skyline
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That is about what i expected. Did you want to run a variety of surplus rounds to see if it struggles to cycle any of them. I'm more concerned about reliability. I suspect it will be fine. But other guy had trouble with chinese corrosive.
Your comments lead me to believe that you don't fully understand the gas settings on the M10X. In keeping with the SIG 550 which it is directly copied from, there are only two detents for the Gas Plug - setting "1" (normal operation) and setting "2" (Adverse Conditions or fouled operation). Despite what the manual says, there is no "0" setting and no detent for the Gas Plug in that central setting where the number 0 is located. The rifle is not intended to be fired on setting "0" as it will not cycle the action due to the gas flow being largely cut off. You may however, find that the best accuracy in any semi-auto rifle is obtained by manually cycling the action. This has to do with the consistency with which the moving parts settle against one one another within the rifle from shot to shot. Anyhow, the reason that you are finding the "0" setting to be imprecise is because in reality, there is no such settng built into the rifle, if that makes any sense to you....
As for the magazine, you do know that they are "rock and lock", right? You have to insert the front of the magazine into the detent at the front of the magazine well first, and then rock the magazine back into the firearm to lock it into place. There is no "vertical insertion" required nor desired - that is what will jam up you mag in the rifle....
The M10X never was a "DMR" rifle. That is all just silly and confusing marketing hype from the manufacturer. It does a serious disservice to the rifle itself by giving all of the haters the justification they need to "pooh, pooh" an otherwise perfectly fine 7.62x39mm semi-automatic utility rifle. Let's be real here for a minute and ask yourself if you have ever before heard of a DMR chambered in an intermediate cartrifpdge with an effective combat range of 300m? No? Well, there is a very good reason for that. 7.62x39mm is not a suitable DMR cartridge, full-stop. So, any expectations of DMR-like performance from that round are unrealistic from the outset. 7.62x39mm is an intermediate combat "utility" cartridge, nothing more - especially in its surplus, corrosive form. Enjoy your M10X for what it is and what it was always meant to be - a utility rifle capable of 3 MOA to 300m with surplus ammo. That's it, that's all.....
I will run a variety of non-corrosive surplus ammo when I get to the outdoor range, where the use of ammo with steel components is permitted. I don't anticipate any reliability issues whatsoever with a properly maintained rifle correctly gassed on setting "1"....
I understand the rifle perfectly well. As for no detent at 0... that's correct. I wanted to turn the gas system off deliberately so the rifle would not cycle. Often times with other rifles, they can shoot more accurately with the gas system turned off. Sure I have to manually cycle the rifle, but that's ok when trying to isolate where the problem might lie.
As for rock and lock... yes I certainly get it... this is not my first AK mag rifle. I used to deer hunt with an AK (30 round mags and all) back in the 80s before they were prohib so yes, I am quite familiar. But I sold mine off once they became well... "useless". I continue to struggle with the supplied steel mag. If its tilted off to the side slitghtly it hangs un in the mag release bracket. I'm certain that other guys will experience the same with steel mags at least. I'll track down some plastic mags to try, hopefully they are better.
As for the DMR... in my opinion, companies deserve to get slammed in the forums for slapping a handle like that on a rifle that will not hold even 2 MOA. I have also been critical of the Bushmaster ACR DMR (which I have) for the same reason.
Guys... the last thing I want to do is bash this rifle. I bought it with my hard earned cash and would very much like to be pleased with it.
I'll clean the rifle... including the chamber and track down some of that western muntions ammo to try. I hope it shoots as well in mine. Its real brass ammo and looks real nice. All the 762x39 ammo I have is either steel or aluminum case, so real brass would be nice.
It is possible that lacquer build up in the chamber caused the copper washed ammo to stick in mine... I will look into that.. Any suggestions how I might clean the lacquer out of a chamber? Acetone maybe?
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I also made it to the range today. Lousy weather and Lightning warnings kept me indoors at Phoenix Indoor Range and Gun Shop in South Edmonton. After some pistol work I took the M10X into the rifle bay which is limited to 40 yds. I was using a Vortex Viper PST II, 1-6X optic in a Kinetic Development Group QD Cantilever Mount.
The ammo was Western Metals remanufactured 125 gr Softpoint in brass cases. Phoenix, like many indoor ranges does not allow ammo with any steel components to be fired due to potential backstop damage.
The rifle fed and ejected 60 rounds of the Softpoint ammo without a stoppage. Feeding was with 5/30 PMag M3s, 5/20 PMag MOEs and 5/30 Russian Bakelite. Extraction and ejection were very positive at 2 o' clock and 7'-10' distance. The Trigger is light at 3 lbs average pull, but has a long single-stage take-up leading to a surprise break. Recoil was light, as you would expect with a 12 lb (scoped) rifle firing 7.62x39mm ammo.
This was the best of 11 x 5-round groups fired for size at 40 yds. The group measured 1.25" - .308" = .94" or just under 1 MOA. Extrapolating to 100 yds, this group would be right around 2 MOA.
Below was an average group measuring 1.84" - .308" = 1.53", or 3 MOA at 100 yds.
Another average group measuring 1.95" - .308" = 1.64", or just over 3 MOA at 100 yds.
A third, lesser group measuring 2.30" - .308" = 1.99" or just under 4 MOA at 100 yds.
And so it went, with the average group size hovering around 1.5" to 1.7" at 40 yds or 3 to 3.5 MOA at 100 yds (extrapolated). I said in an earlier post that I would be satisfied if the M10X grouped 3 MOA at 100 yds with non-corrosive, surplus ammo. Based on an ammo sample of 1 load only, I believe the M10X has demonstrated this ability thus far in a very small and limited test. That is of course, without discounting any fliers, which would have resulted in much smaller/tighter group sizes.
Hopefully my modest little test will go a ways towards satisfying the burning desire on the part of some folks to see a documented accuracy test with the M10X. I believe that with a load it likes, the M10X will be a 2 MOA rifle. With surplus fodder I believe that 3 to 4 MOA is to be expected. That is good enough for me and meets my expectations for the rifle and its calibre.
For all of the haters, I am sorry to disappoint, but there were no 12 MOA results - not even close....
As always, YMMV. To all of the other M10X owners out there, relax - your new rifle will most likely group 2 MOA or better if you perform some load development, which is well within specifications for a military firearm and (I think) suitable for a general-purpose utility rifle like the M10X. Otherwise, expect approximately 3 to 4 MOA for surplus plinking fodder. In other words, right in the ballpark for reasonable expectations of a 7.62x39mm-chambered semi-automatic rifle.
Excellent review Bartok
Excited to try mine out soon :-(
The 12 MOA came from Canada Ammo, and I understand justly why they would post that. A wee bit pissed off they were side stepped over for NS.
As for cleaning the chamber, run some boiled water thru the barrel, scrub the chamber good with a brush, clean and oil. I routinely do this every now and then and have never had a stick casing after.
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Disclaimer: I only post this pic as a JOKE because it fits the narrative.
I'm looking forward to seeing more positive reports. I don't care too much about accuracy, I'm mostly watching for reliability. If they function good I may pick up a used one for the right price but as of now it's too early to tell.
