M10x Unboxing
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Charging handle is a bigger latch to reach, but can also cause stoppages if using the super duper enlarged handle on the CF guns. I've seen dudes get the charging handle caught on the sling when they rack it.
It will never be faster than hitting the bolt catch. Your hand is already there when you insert a mag and all you do is press it with your thumb. Buts its up to the user to decide what works best for their needs. If speed is what they're looking for then bolt catch, if they follow the thinking of using larger "target" and possible increase reliability of closing the bolt on a dirty gun, then go CH.
My guess is compared to a bcl102 it is already better LMAO
Ya, that's the whole story.
I don't have a horse in this race and don't give a crap either way and don't want to own one. Not because of the all he stupidity and lies, but because it doesn't interest me. However i have followed the antics of this from the beginning. Your statement is at best misleading, and some would say an outright lie. You are just as bad as them.
Ya, that's the whole story.
I don't have a horse in this race and don't give a crap either way and don't want to own one. Not because of the all he stupidity and lies, but because it doesn't interest me. However i have followed the antics of this from the beginning. Your statement is at best misleading, and some would say an outright lie. You are just as bad as them.
Whatever.... go grind your axe with someone who gives a flying fvck what you think.... I'm here to discuss the rifle, not to endlessly revisit the "drama" surrounding M+M Industiries and North Sylva. I could not honestly care less.
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Still no range reports?
Anyone going to shoot their rifle?
Only concern I have is the stock seems low, easy to get around with a low mount dot sight but flip up sights and scopes in mounts made for an AR look like a beard weld.
Looks like a decent rifle, I'm sure it's better than a BCL
Silly rabbit, TRIX are for kids, it's a semi automatic centerfire so it's pinned to 5. You pay extra for the drum because they look cool not because they hold more. When the zombies come you can remove the rivet though
Anyone going to shoot their rifle?
Only concern I have is the stock seems low, easy to get around with a low mount dot sight but flip up sights and scopes in mounts made for an AR look like a beard weld.
Looks like a decent rifle, I'm sure it's better than a BCL
Silly rabbit, TRIX are for kids, it's a semi automatic centerfire so it's pinned to 5. You pay extra for the drum because they look cool not because they hold more. When the zombies come you can remove the rivet though
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Would you say the $600 cc stripped receivers are overpriced?
Still no range reports?
Anyone going to shoot their rifle?
Only concern I have is the stock seems low, easy to get around with a low mount dot sight but flip up sights and scopes in mounts made for an AR look like a beard weld.
Looks like a decent rifle, I'm sure it's better than a BCL
Silly rabbit, TRIX are for kids, it's a semi automatic centerfire so it's pinned to 5. You pay extra for the drum because they look cool not because they hold more. When the zombies come you can remove the rivet though
Life is in the way right now for a range session otherwise it would have already have a range report.
I have several different cheek risers that work great with my optic height so no chin weld or tactical beard weld , iron sights arent too bad but but any optic eith lower 1/3 cowitness might not be the most ideal.
I'd personally say that any AR receiver set that costs over $250 (the cost of a perfectly fine (but Restricted) Aero Receiver Set), is paying extra for either the specific name brand, unique/special features, or special status (Non-Restricted). How much extra you are willing to pay is entirely up to you, however $250 will buy you an excellent AR Receiver set that will serve you extremely well. There is nothing to distinguish a Colt Canada Receiver Set from an Aero Precision set, aside from the roll-marks....
initial Impressions
My M10X arrived today. Initial impressions are largely positive, based on the clever design and impressive build quality. The rifle is very solid feeling and inspires confidence from the outset, with a snug, rattle-free fitment of all parts including the magazine. The next thing that I noticed was the heft - this rifle is much heavier than the AKM it is frequèntly compared to, and much more akin to the SIG 550/Swissarms PE 90. This is in keeping with the M10X's overall size, which at 40.5" with the Buttstock fully extended is much closer to a 550/PE90 length than to an AKM. The Length with the Buttstock folded is a convenient 31". The finish is an even satin Black with hard anodizing on the extruded aluminum Body Cover/Handguard and durable nitro-carbeurizing inside and out on the remaining steel components. The overall impression based on the above is one of high qualíty, derived from solid construction using high-quality machined components. This rifle is "tight".
Design
The design of the M10X is really quite clever and unique, combining a sheet steel Lower Receiver based almost exclusively on the AKM, with a machined steel Upper Receiver similar to that of the FN FAL, which is enshrouded in a one-piece extruded aluminum Action Cover/Handguard. The Lower Receiver is similar to the lower 2/3 of a shortened AKM Receiver, housing a semi-automatic AK-inspired Trigger Mechanism and the Magazine Well, with a Folding Magpul Buttstock, a Hogue-style rubber Pistol Grip and an AKM-style Trigger Guard affixed. The Upper Receiver provides steel rails for the Bolt-Carrier Group to run on, an integral Trunnion and the attached Barrel with affixed Gas Block and Muzzle Brake. The aluminum Action Cover/Handguard completely enshrouds the Upper Receiver and extends forward to the Gas Block. It features a full-length Picatinny Rail at the 12 o'clock position and has MLOC slots around the Handguard portion at 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 11 o'clock.
The M10X operating system combines an AKM/SIG 550 style Bolt Carrier Group with a SIG 550 long-stroke Gas Piston, captive Operating Spring and 2-position Gas Plug/Regulator. The bolt is the AKM style and features 2 large locking lugs which mate with machined surfaces in the Trunion of the steel Upper Receiver.
Note that the steel Upper Receiver is considered the firearm under Canadian law and bears the serial number which is visible through a cut-out in the Front Left side of the sheet-steel Lower Receiver.
Buttstock
The Magpul "Zhukov" Buttstock is excellent and suits the M10X perfectly from both an aesthetic and performance perspective. The Length of Pull has 5 adjustment points, extending an additional 3" from the fully-collapsed position. Snap-on Magpul Cheek-Risers are available in various heights from Brownells Inc, if no Canadian vendor can be found.
Trigger
The Trigger Mechanism is pure semi-auto AKM, with single-hook Hammer retention for an improved trigger pull. The single-stage take-up is long but smooth and light, with a fairly crisp let-off varying from 3 lbs in the center of the Trigger to 2.5 lbs at the Trigger's tip. The Change Lever ("Safety") is the conventional AR15 style with a 45-degree downwards Thumb-throw. Note that the firearm's action cannot be fully cocked when the Change Lever is in the horizontal "Safe" position, however just like an AK the Cocking Handle can be pulled back far enough to confirm whether or not there is a cartridge in the chamber.
Magazine Well and Catch
The sheet steel Mag Well and Catch are manufactured in the AKM style, but have been "tweaked" by M+M Industries so that the widest possible selection of AK mags fit and function correctly. Whatever they did to improve the magazine interface really works, providing the most secure, rattle-free fit that I have ever seen with AK Mags.
Action
The Long-stroke Piston operation of the M10X is a direct copy of the SIG 550/Swissarms PE90, which is in turn derived from the AK rifle. The primary difference is that on the SIG ànd the M10X, the Cocking Handle secures the Gas Piston to the Bolt Carrier, allowing the separation of those components for field stripping. The action cycles similarly to an AK, albeit somewhat smoother and less "tinny"due to the use of thicker Upper Receiver materials and more precise machining of the various mating surfaces.
Cocking Handle & improvised "Gap" Gasket
The retention mechanism for the reversible steel Cocking Handle has been redesigned for easier operation and increased security. There is an instructional insert included with the rifle which explains this recent modification.
Note that Magpul Rubber MLOC Covers make a perfect improvised "Gasket" for plugging the unused Cocking Handle "gap" in the Upper Receiver/Action Cover. Just cut to the correct length and feed the rubber strip into the slot from the Front to the Rear, "Caterpillar" style (See photo below).
As with the AK, the fixed Cocking Handle may be used to assist Bolt Closure in an emergency, although forcing recalcitrant ammo into a chamber is never advisable under normal circumstances.
Barrel & Bore
The barrel is a medium contour, resulting in accuracy-enhancing stiffenss at the expense of additional weight. The bore is Nitro-Carbeurized, which is supposed to be as long-wearing as chrome without the associated accuracy degradation.
Muzzle Brake
The Brake provided with the M10X is designed to mitigate recoil but does nothing to reduce Muzzle-Rise. It is a hybrid design with recoil-mitigation ports around its entire circumference followed by four flash-reducing Tines. I have replaced the factory Brake with an aftermarket .308 design that addresses both recoil and muzzle-flip.
Weight
I weighed my M10X in two different optics configurations. Fitted with the Vortex PST 2 1-6x riflescope in a Kinetic Development Group Sidelok mount, the accessorize rifle weighs approx 12 lbs (unloaded). Equipped with the lighter weight Aimpoint T1 Micro Red Dot Sight and Aimpoint 3x Magnifier, the rifle weighs appeprox 10 lbs (unloaded). The M10X is no lightweight, weighing as much as the average post-WW2 NATO Battle Rifle. That said, it is an extremely well-balanced rifle with the center of gravity right at the center of the Mag Well.
Summary
Pending accuracy testing, there is nothing whatsoever about the M10X which makes it suitable for use as a "Designated Marksman Rifle". Given the limited effective range of the 7.62x39mm cartridge, the "DMR" moniker is nothing more than far-fetched and overly-optimistic marketing hype! Rather than a DMR, this firearm most closely resembles a standard-issue service rifle based on a hybrid combination of design and construction features derived from the AKM, the FN FAL and the SIG 550/Swissarms PE90. There is nothing wrong with that! Assuming decent (2MOA) performance with good quality commercial ammo and acceptable (3 MOA) results with surplus fodder, the M10X ought to serve just fine in my intended role of casual plinker for 100m to 300m steel engagements. Based on the combination of a sound design, quality materials and a very high standard of manufacture, I expect excellent reliability from the M10X. Although tolerances are considerably tighter than those found on the typical AKM, I will be very surprised if there stoppages of any kind. All things considered, I am very pleased with my M10X rifle thus far. Now that I have seen the superb machinining, fit and finish of the rifle for myself, I believe that they are well worth the price of admission. The quality is much closer (if not identical), to that of the Swissarms rifles - for 2/3 the price. This truly appears to be a Swissarms/AK hybrid done right. The proof will be in the shooting of course, so stand by for a range report within the next week or so.
Photos
Configuration 1 - Vortex Viper PST 2 1-6X Riflescope:
Configuration 2 - Aimpoint T1 Micro and Aimpoint 3X Magnifier:
Configuration 3 - Aimpoint T1 Micro, witb Stock Folded:
Configuration 3 - Other Side:
Improvised Gasket for Unused Cocking Handle Gap:
My M10X arrived today. Initial impressions are largely positive, based on the clever design and impressive build quality. The rifle is very solid feeling and inspires confidence from the outset, with a snug, rattle-free fitment of all parts including the magazine. The next thing that I noticed was the heft - this rifle is much heavier than the AKM it is frequèntly compared to, and much more akin to the SIG 550/Swissarms PE 90. This is in keeping with the M10X's overall size, which at 40.5" with the Buttstock fully extended is much closer to a 550/PE90 length than to an AKM. The Length with the Buttstock folded is a convenient 31". The finish is an even satin Black with hard anodizing on the extruded aluminum Body Cover/Handguard and durable nitro-carbeurizing inside and out on the remaining steel components. The overall impression based on the above is one of high qualíty, derived from solid construction using high-quality machined components. This rifle is "tight".
Design
The design of the M10X is really quite clever and unique, combining a sheet steel Lower Receiver based almost exclusively on the AKM, with a machined steel Upper Receiver similar to that of the FN FAL, which is enshrouded in a one-piece extruded aluminum Action Cover/Handguard. The Lower Receiver is similar to the lower 2/3 of a shortened AKM Receiver, housing a semi-automatic AK-inspired Trigger Mechanism and the Magazine Well, with a Folding Magpul Buttstock, a Hogue-style rubber Pistol Grip and an AKM-style Trigger Guard affixed. The Upper Receiver provides steel rails for the Bolt-Carrier Group to run on, an integral Trunnion and the attached Barrel with affixed Gas Block and Muzzle Brake. The aluminum Action Cover/Handguard completely enshrouds the Upper Receiver and extends forward to the Gas Block. It features a full-length Picatinny Rail at the 12 o'clock position and has MLOC slots around the Handguard portion at 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 11 o'clock.
The M10X operating system combines an AKM/SIG 550 style Bolt Carrier Group with a SIG 550 long-stroke Gas Piston, captive Operating Spring and 2-position Gas Plug/Regulator. The bolt is the AKM style and features 2 large locking lugs which mate with machined surfaces in the Trunion of the steel Upper Receiver.
Note that the steel Upper Receiver is considered the firearm under Canadian law and bears the serial number which is visible through a cut-out in the Front Left side of the sheet-steel Lower Receiver.
Buttstock
The Magpul "Zhukov" Buttstock is excellent and suits the M10X perfectly from both an aesthetic and performance perspective. The Length of Pull has 5 adjustment points, extending an additional 3" from the fully-collapsed position. Snap-on Magpul Cheek-Risers are available in various heights from Brownells Inc, if no Canadian vendor can be found.
Trigger
The Trigger Mechanism is pure semi-auto AKM, with single-hook Hammer retention for an improved trigger pull. The single-stage take-up is long but smooth and light, with a fairly crisp let-off varying from 3 lbs in the center of the Trigger to 2.5 lbs at the Trigger's tip. The Change Lever ("Safety") is the conventional AR15 style with a 45-degree downwards Thumb-throw. Note that the firearm's action cannot be fully cocked when the Change Lever is in the horizontal "Safe" position, however just like an AK the Cocking Handle can be pulled back far enough to confirm whether or not there is a cartridge in the chamber.
Magazine Well and Catch
The sheet steel Mag Well and Catch are manufactured in the AKM style, but have been "tweaked" by M+M Industries so that the widest possible selection of AK mags fit and function correctly. Whatever they did to improve the magazine interface really works, providing the most secure, rattle-free fit that I have ever seen with AK Mags.
Action
The Long-stroke Piston operation of the M10X is a direct copy of the SIG 550/Swissarms PE90, which is in turn derived from the AK rifle. The primary difference is that on the SIG ànd the M10X, the Cocking Handle secures the Gas Piston to the Bolt Carrier, allowing the separation of those components for field stripping. The action cycles similarly to an AK, albeit somewhat smoother and less "tinny"due to the use of thicker Upper Receiver materials and more precise machining of the various mating surfaces.
Cocking Handle & improvised "Gap" Gasket
The retention mechanism for the reversible steel Cocking Handle has been redesigned for easier operation and increased security. There is an instructional insert included with the rifle which explains this recent modification.
Note that Magpul Rubber MLOC Covers make a perfect improvised "Gasket" for plugging the unused Cocking Handle "gap" in the Upper Receiver/Action Cover. Just cut to the correct length and feed the rubber strip into the slot from the Front to the Rear, "Caterpillar" style (See photo below).
As with the AK, the fixed Cocking Handle may be used to assist Bolt Closure in an emergency, although forcing recalcitrant ammo into a chamber is never advisable under normal circumstances.
Barrel & Bore
The barrel is a medium contour, resulting in accuracy-enhancing stiffenss at the expense of additional weight. The bore is Nitro-Carbeurized, which is supposed to be as long-wearing as chrome without the associated accuracy degradation.
Muzzle Brake
The Brake provided with the M10X is designed to mitigate recoil but does nothing to reduce Muzzle-Rise. It is a hybrid design with recoil-mitigation ports around its entire circumference followed by four flash-reducing Tines. I have replaced the factory Brake with an aftermarket .308 design that addresses both recoil and muzzle-flip.
Weight
I weighed my M10X in two different optics configurations. Fitted with the Vortex PST 2 1-6x riflescope in a Kinetic Development Group Sidelok mount, the accessorize rifle weighs approx 12 lbs (unloaded). Equipped with the lighter weight Aimpoint T1 Micro Red Dot Sight and Aimpoint 3x Magnifier, the rifle weighs appeprox 10 lbs (unloaded). The M10X is no lightweight, weighing as much as the average post-WW2 NATO Battle Rifle. That said, it is an extremely well-balanced rifle with the center of gravity right at the center of the Mag Well.
Summary
Pending accuracy testing, there is nothing whatsoever about the M10X which makes it suitable for use as a "Designated Marksman Rifle". Given the limited effective range of the 7.62x39mm cartridge, the "DMR" moniker is nothing more than far-fetched and overly-optimistic marketing hype! Rather than a DMR, this firearm most closely resembles a standard-issue service rifle based on a hybrid combination of design and construction features derived from the AKM, the FN FAL and the SIG 550/Swissarms PE90. There is nothing wrong with that! Assuming decent (2MOA) performance with good quality commercial ammo and acceptable (3 MOA) results with surplus fodder, the M10X ought to serve just fine in my intended role of casual plinker for 100m to 300m steel engagements. Based on the combination of a sound design, quality materials and a very high standard of manufacture, I expect excellent reliability from the M10X. Although tolerances are considerably tighter than those found on the typical AKM, I will be very surprised if there stoppages of any kind. All things considered, I am very pleased with my M10X rifle thus far. Now that I have seen the superb machinining, fit and finish of the rifle for myself, I believe that they are well worth the price of admission. The quality is much closer (if not identical), to that of the Swissarms rifles - for 2/3 the price. This truly appears to be a Swissarms/AK hybrid done right. The proof will be in the shooting of course, so stand by for a range report within the next week or so.
Photos
Configuration 1 - Vortex Viper PST 2 1-6X Riflescope:
Configuration 2 - Aimpoint T1 Micro and Aimpoint 3X Magnifier:
Configuration 3 - Aimpoint T1 Micro, witb Stock Folded:
Configuration 3 - Other Side:
Improvised Gasket for Unused Cocking Handle Gap:
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