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Or what it really, really means is that those proprietary, $1K, stripped AR receiver sets from Macabee and ATRS will be totally worth the money and not price-jacked to 4x their value!!!

Because comparing a custom proprietary receiver individually machined and finished in small batches made to the highest level of quality and tolerances possible and sold to a niche market is the same thing as a $250 mass produced mil-spec forging????

Right. Got it. Thanks. I knew I should have only paid $250 for my MacDef receiver set. I'll make sure when I get an ATRS set I'll only pay them $250 because it's worth no more than a run of the mill forging. LOL Lmfao!!!

Man have you ever compared the build quality of an ATRS AT-15 or Modern Series receiver to a run of the mill set that can be sold for 1/4 the cost? There not even in the same league.

Other much larger US companies produce high end custom machined 7075 billet AR-15 receiver sets that sell here in the 7-9 hundred dollar range AND these are products that are also able to serve a much larger customer base in the US.

Ya, there may be some degree of price jacking for prophet but what company doesn't? Don't pretend that the M10X is immune to the price jacking.


Bartok, I usually value your insightful and informative posts on CGN but this time your apples to oranges mockery is beyond absurd.
 
Because comparing a custom proprietary receiver individually machined and finished in small batches made to the highest level of quality and tolerances possible and sold to a niche market is the same thing as a $250 mass produced mil-spec forging????

All these receivers, custom proprietary or not, are all CNC machined which is inserting a block of aluminum and pressing a button. There's nothing "high tolerance" and "individually machined" from one to the other.

Stop coluring these gourmet, wagyu, Michelin star-rated receivers for more than what they are.
 
All these receivers, custom proprietary or not, are all CNC machined which is inserting a block of aluminum and pressing a button. There's nothing "high tolerance" and "individually machined" from one to the other.

Stop coluring these gourmet, wagyu, Michelin star-rated receivers for more than what they are.

Stop ignoring basic economics of scale. That "niche" word that was used. These guys aren't going to be selling tens of thousands of these things, and yet still have to make a return on their investment, which goes far beyond buying blocks of aluminum and paying for electricity.
 
All these receivers, custom proprietary or not, are all CNC machined which is inserting a block of aluminum and pressing a button. There's nothing "high tolerance" and "individually machined" from one to the other.

Stop coluring these gourmet, wagyu, Michelin star-rated receivers for more than what they are.

Bingo. The only real variable is how much they are tumbled after CNC machining to remove tool marks and sharp edges. And perhaps the degree of QC with an accompanying high reject rate. . Billet requires more machine time time than forged parts, but that is about all. There certainly isn't any "hand finishing" or "individual attention" lavished on those CNC "custom" receiver sets, as the last produced is literally identical to the first. That is the entire point...

So sorry that my cynical joking around fails to meet the high standard that others have set for my very own posts!
 
- reloads are quicker and easier under pressure
- your last round fired feels different when your bolt locks back, so you instinctively reload.... instead of potentially not realizing you're empty and hearing 'click'. Again not good when under pressure.

When you say "under pressure"; I'm assuming that you mean during a competitive IPSC rifle, 3-gun match, or similar.

But none of the top shooters ever run their guns dry. They always plan their stages to include magazine changes with at least one round in the gun.
If you are running your rifle dry (with or without a BHO) then you are not winning any matches.
 
When you say "under pressure"; I'm assuming that you mean during a competitive IPSC rifle, 3-gun match, or similar.

But none of the top shooters ever run their guns dry. They always plan their stages to include magazine changes with at least one round in the gun.
If you are running your rifle dry (with or without a BHO) then you are not winning any matches.

Not really feasible in canada since mag changes on a closed bolt usually breaks rivits.
 
When you say "under pressure"; I'm assuming that you mean during a competitive IPSC rifle, 3-gun match, or similar.

But none of the top shooters ever run their guns dry. They always plan their stages to include magazine changes with at least one round in the gun.
If you are running your rifle dry (with or without a BHO) then you are not winning any matches.

under pressure is in combat
 
Bingo. The only real variable is how much they are tumbled after CNC machining to remove tool marks and sharp edges. And perhaps the degree of QC with an accompanying high reject rate. . Billet requires more machine time time than forged parts, but that is about all.

Thank you for continuing to further prove my argument that these are not comparable to a $250 run of the mill receiver set.

All of the points you make contribute to increased costs of production compared to a basic mass produced low QC "get them out the door as fast as we can" receiver set. Additional materials cost, machine time and labour costs add up quickly. Not to mention the engineering, testing and marketing only to sell a few in our "niche" market.

But hey, I'm a nice guy so I'll put the extra into it and sell it for the same price as the guys who don't, even though I'll be losing money.... lol Ya right


Anyways, this is all off topic. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how the M10X turns out for you guys.
 
Lol the AK 47 does not have a BHO. Its seen more combat than any rifle ever manufactured. This rifle is being sold on the civilian market... why are we even talking about "combat"? Maybe you local militiamen can choose a rifle more suited to your wants? Lol
 
Talking purely from what ive observed in 3 gun competitions..... Ive actually noticed in most high stress situations.... People tend to charge their firearm manually rather than use the bolt release. Not because they prefer to, but simply because they forget to take advantage of that feature in the heat of the moment.
 
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I have been under considerable, prolonged "stress" on the two-way rifle range, and not once did I rely upon the Bolt Catch of my C8 FTHB service carbine to advise me of an empty magazine nor to charge the weapon after a fired-until-empty reload. I was taught at great expense to count my expended rounds such that if I could not maintain a precise count what with everything exciting going on around me, at least I could keep a general sense of how many rounds were remaining in my current mag so that I could proactively combat-reload before running dry. That was the aim - to reload without ever running dry, and without leaving too many rounds in a partially-expended mag. I also employed the old trick of 5 rounds of tracer ammo as the first rounds loaded in each magazine, thereby giving me a visual warning that I was running low in the event that plan "A" (counting your rounds) failed in the heat of the moment. I never relied upon my Bolt Catch to "send me a physical signal" that my firearm was empty. While that works when firing your rifle in a T-shirt as one of a small handful of firers shooting semi-auto, it is next to useless when you are insulated from the weapon's recoil by body armour and Load-Bearing Equipment (LBE), in the heat of battle with every loud noise and source of concussion imaginable assaulting your eardrums and rocking your world.

I also never used the Bolt-Catch to charge my weapon following the occasional empty reload, because that method does not apply the maximum stripping force to the top (eg. the most resistant) round in a full magazine. Full forward momentum of the Bolt-Carrier Group (BCG) is only attained when the Charging Handle pulled fully to the rear and then released. So, in order to ensure that one's fouled rifle feeds the first round fully into battery, the wise soldier uses the Charging Handle and relegates the Bolt Catch to its intended purpose of holding the BCG to the rear while clearing a complex stoppage (such as a double-feed, or a failure to eject resulting in an empty casing lodged between the Charging Handle and Gas Key). The Bolt Catch is also used for administrative confirmation that the firearm is clear, but that is all. It should have nothing whatsoever to do with charging the weapon/making it "ready", as this practice will eventually result in a stoppage (first-round failure to fully feed).

But hey, YMMV. All I know is what 32 years of infantry experience, and my fellow combat veterans taught me. As I said before, the lack of a BHO is not indicative of laziness on the part of the firearms designer. Some simply don't see a need, and I for one can understand where they are coming from. More parts = more complexity = more malfunction at the worst possible moment. If you don't use it to reload under combat conditions, just how relevant or necessary is this "convenience" called a Bolt Catch? The answer is, it's not. At all.
 
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I never understood all this hate.... if you like it and can afford it, than buy it. If not there’s gonna be other guns out their for you.

Exactly! Take the hate to M+M Industries and/or North Sylva in the NS Dealer Forum if you must, but why continue to pollute every thread about the new rifle with bile and venom directed towards the manufacturer and distributor? It is distracting, tiresome and ultimately directed at the wrong target audience....
 
Ive actually noticed in most high stress situations.... People tend to charge their firearm manually rather than use the bolt release. Not because they prefer to, but simply because they forget to take advantage of that feature in the heat of the moment.

Its called muscle memory. Some are trained to not use the bolt catch for reloads. The charging handle is designed for this purpose and its a way bigger "target" for you fingers than this small button that is the bolt release. Most trained professionals dont "forget to take advantage" of the bolt release, they actually take advantage of the charging handle.

While BHO is a nice feature, its not necessary. I ran AK trainings and ran VZ58 in some matches and in both case, the speed for a emergency reload was the same as with my C8 or AR15 platform.



OP (and other M10X owners) : have you shot your rifles yet ?
 
Its called muscle memory. Some are trained to not use the bolt catch for reloads. The charging handle is designed for this purpose and its a way bigger "target" for you fingers than this small button that is the bolt release. Most trained professionals dont "forget to take advantage" of the bolt release, they actually take advantage of the charging handle.

While BHO is a nice feature, its not necessary. I ran AK trainings and ran VZ58 in some matches and in both case, the speed for a emergency reload was the same as with my C8 or AR15 platform.



OP (and other M10X owners) : have you shot your rifles yet ?

Sorry I forgot to clarify that I was talking purely from a 3 gun competition standpoint.
 
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