A dealer from another forum who import directly for USA, made me a good price, for 3 stag arms lower. After few days, I received an email "We have just been informed that we cannot import any more Stag products." I found it strange, we will see if the m10x story will repeat
The Stag 10s NR stripped receiver set thread
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You do understand Arms East got the Canadian distribution contract, and IRG got the US to Canada direct import contract. That’s how Arms East was able to get down to IRG prices. I mean it doesn’t take too much effort to figure this stuff out.
Well what I can tell you is exactly what was said in my last reply, that is that there were prices striked out above.
No I'm not imagining it and it was within hours of the announcement/launch.
When was this screen shot taken? and is this the mobile version of their site? I'm looking at the site right now and mine doesn't have all that facebook crap below, so something here is different.
One of two things happened here, they initially had the listings with MSRP price crossed out above and for some reason removed it, or there was a difference between their PC and mobile sites.
Either way the MSRP was there originally and they replied to my comment stating the current price was the "introductory" price within hours of the launch.
In the interests of full disclosure, I have done business with IRG for items that were otherwise unavailable in Canada. I have no problem with IRG filling that particular niche, but when it comes to them jumping on every new NR FRT entry within a matter of hours, I find their business model to be distasteful and "parasitic". Some here will argue that IRG is just keeping the companies that do the actual FRT leg-work honest WRT retail pricing, but I respectfully disagree. Any such "service" that IRG provides to the Canadian consumer is merely a byproduct of their singular desire to undercut and steal business away from the companies that have gone to the time and expense of actuaĺly submitting samples for new NR FRT entries. Short and sweet, IRG is opportunistic and greedy, jumping on everyone else's hard work without so much as an acknowledgement of the effort that has been put forth by others. In the immortal words of the great Canadian philosopher Bubbles, the IRG business model is "greasy". I for one, refuse to give IRG my business under such circumstances. Where IRG does the leg-work themselves (eg. SCAR 17) or where they bring unique products to the Canadian market, IRG earns my business. That is definitely not the case when it comes to IRG's "me too" copycat behaviour.....
YMMV.....
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So they should carry on with their business, but not sell guns that are newly available to the market because they didn't submit the initial product for classification? That allows a Monopoly to take place, and that only hurts us as consumers. Canadians have been victim of this for far too long.
By all means, support who you like. But don't criticize a business for simply selling a product that's newly available.
Sounds like you'd fit perfectly into a society where free market capitalism doesn't exist. Also known as communism.
Although some business practices may come across as being greasy there is no denying that we all benefit from the competition that living in a free society creates.
Doing business always comes with costs and competition is one of them.
Although IRG didn't specifically do the grunt work on the Stag 10 it's not fair to implicate that they have not done their fair share in contributing to the betterment of the Canadian firearms community.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm a commie because I find IRG's shameless efforts to undercut other businesses that do the actual leg-work on a specific product to be distasteful. Whatever. It is a simple matter of propriety. IRG has none when it comes to their near-instant band-wagon jumping. Period.
Reread the second to last line of my previous post, where I specifically gave IRG credit for their efforts to bring the SCAR 17 to the Canadian market among other products. I did not "implicate" anything to the contrary. ��
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There are ways to go about selling firearms that others have brought to the Canadian market, that demonstrates appreciation and respect for their work. Look at how Wolverine Supplies has entered into a mutually-agreeable arrangement with Arms East to distribute the Stag 10 rifles in Canada. Classy, respectful and cooperative for the mutual benefit of both businesses. Then look at how IRG attempts to undercut AE within hours of the FRT being dropped, without so much as an acknowledgement of AE's legwork. Big difference that speaks volumes about their respective ethics and related business practices....
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If it wasn't for the mob, prohibition would still be a thing (OK, over time it would have eventually been ended, see next point)
If it wasn't for the criminal black market, cannabis prohibition would not be at the point it is today.
What is the direct relationship to these points, and the conditions Bartok5 is pointing out? Someone has stepped forth, at a level of risk to themselves, to change things.
IRG in this case, seems to be like the Liberals (to stick with the current day examples). Other entities have put out R&D, time, and capital, into getting the NR door opened up in Canada (examples SFRC/BCL/AE). Once the door is opened, no problem for those with no skin in the game to come and sweep up the glory (IRG), since they don't have those backdoor costs to recoup.
Kinda like how the black market faced criminal penalties in the world of cannabis, pushing it to the brink of where it is today, only for the Liberals to set up a legalization plan which pads the pockets of their supporters, while imposing even harsher penalties for the black market, which opened the door in the first place. Liberal pricing for cannabis aims to be at the $10/g mark. Notably black market price or higher. Cannabis is a weed, and production costs are far less than $10/g, likely closer to $2/g or less, when done right. The remainder of the black market pricing is the compensation for the risk of a long term stay in a very uncomfortable hotel, that serves crappy food.
Competition is good, and needed. But where and how that competition comes in, is important. Choose wisely, who you support. The long run results all of a sudden, may turn not so rosy.
Just my opinion on the subject.
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And if it wasn’t for Arms East we wouldn’t have the Stag 10. Competition is a great thing and so is saving money, but it’s not the only thing.
The issue is complex. I’m sure many Canadian firearms retailers roll their eyes every time they hear the dreaded NR tax line get rolled out...doing what Arms East did costs real money and is risky so there needs to be some reward; otherwise what retailer will go through the trouble of bringing us these great offerings?
If I was a retailer I would certainly be thinking twice about spending a year or two trying to bring in a new product knowing that within an hour or two, IRG would be doing what they did to AE.
Sunchild2071
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Bingo!
Well nothing stops them from importing the SCAR if IRG gets the NR status. It works both ways.
The only way around this is to get exclusive distribution rights like NS did with the MX10. That way they can charge what they want.
The only way around this is to get exclusive distribution rights like NS did with the MX10. That way they can charge what they want.
Your reasoning is flawed…almost every retailer in Canada has sold a gun that another retailer has submitted to the RCMP.
Bad Example - The big difference between AE and Wolverine Team is that the Wolverine Team did not gouge and sodomized Canadian gun enthusiast when they released their non-restricted rifle.
A.E is still running an early 1990s/pre-google business model. Example time-- ArmsEast is selling Geissele SSA 2-Stage Trigger for 324.00+tax+shipping. You can buy it directly from Geissele.com for $190.00+ free shipping ($251Canadian). Only reason why they are able to charge $75 more is because they have a Canadian monopoly. This is exactly what they tried to do with Stag and failed.
I think you are an idiot to defend them when they were planning to sodomizing you.
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