New Browning Citori CXS 12Ga Shooting Hi.

[JIMMY 808]

This is what a 100% HI shooting gun or higher looks like at 27 yards.

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For me it would be perforable to have the bottom barrel shooting higher then the top I would leave it for a while and really get used to it before deciding to change it.

 

[stubblejumper]

This is what a 100% HI shooting gun or higher looks like at 27 yards.

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For me it would be perforable to have the bottom barrel shooting higher then the top I would leave it for a while and really get used to it before deciding to change it.

But the CXS is not being marketed as a trap gun, where a higher POI could be an advantage.

The CXS specializes in great handling, target acquisition and consistency for the sporting/skeet shooter who also wants to take his shotgun hunting. Dimensioned for consistent shooting on the range, its 50/50 POI lets you move to upland hunting perfectly.

 

[Falconflyer]

Why would you assume that there is a difference between barrels?

I would never assume that they do! Guns that shoot both barrels to a different poi are not uncommon. I've seen lots of older Citori's that were no where close to each other!

 

[JIMMY 808]

New CXS 12ga adjustable, comb down all the way. At 25yds with full choke it's 95%-5% With the mod it might be 90-10
Gun shot fair on skeet but horrible on TRAP. Am wondering if a higher front bead might lower the pattern but where would I find one? Switched from a Crossover Target 12ga and am very disappointed in this new gun. Open for suggestions before I try buying the Crossover back.

But the CXS is not being marketed as a trap gun, where a higher POI could be an advantage.

I posted the pictures for reference of what sort of view is required to shoot a shotgun at trap with a different POI he is not used to, as he mentioned trap.

The red dot represents the bead BTW.

Bead height in fact will change point of impact It’s all been done before.

 

[g-manz35]

Bead height in fact will change point of impact It’s all been done before.

The POI for the CXS is 50/50 raising the bead would put the POI below the Point of aim and what would be the point of that? There is also a mid bead witch would also further complicate the issue. The fact is the gun is not being pointed properly. Probably because it doesn’t fit him. Raising the bead will not make the gun fit. This is the same problem I have with nearly every shotgun. I need a high rib and/or longer LOP and/or a adjustable butt plate.
I can garentee that he is seeing the top of the rib when patterning or the gun is hooped and is shooting high.
If it was a Trap gun that shot 70/30 and he wanted to lower the POI it would be a different story.

 

[stubblejumper]

I posted the pictures for reference of what sort of view is required to shoot a shotgun at trap with a different POI he is not used to, as he mentioned trap.

The red dot represents the bead BTW.

Bead height in fact will change point of impact It’s all been done before.

So what do you predict would happen, if the bead was removed entirely? I did just that with my 725, and no difference for me. The bead fell out of a friends gun a couple of years ago, and he never bothered replacing it, no effect on his skeet scores at all.

 

[JIMMY 808]

So what do you predict would happen, if the bead was removed entirely? I did just that with my 725, and no difference for me. The bead fell out of a friends gun a couple of years ago, and he never bothered replacing it, no effect on his skeet scores at all.

I could post a direct quote from a Canadian shooter regarding the front bead, that Phil Kiner says is currently the best trap shooter in the world. But really what would the point be you will still argue.

Lots of ways to get there if you shoot better with the bead off leave it off. But it certainly won’t work for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it.

 

[stubblejumper]

I could post a direct quote from a Canadian shooter regarding the front bead, that Phil Kiner says is currently the best trap shooter in the world. But really what would the point be you will still argue.

Lots of ways to get there if you shoot better with the bead off leave it off. But it certainly won’t work for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it.

My point is, that if I don't use the bead to aim, then it doesn't matter to me how high it is, or if there even is one. Then again, some people may actually aim using the bead.

 

[Westward1]

I could post a direct quote from a Canadian shooter regarding the front bead, that Phil Kiner says is currently the best trap shooter in the world. But really what would the point be you will still argue.

Lots of ways to get there if you shoot better with the bead off leave it off. But it certainly won’t work for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it.

I would like to hear the quote. I promise I won’t argue.

 

[Westward1]

I could post a direct quote from a Canadian shooter regarding the front bead, that Phil Kiner says is currently the best trap shooter in the world. But really what would the point be you will still argue.

Lots of ways to get there if you shoot better with the bead off leave it off. But it certainly won’t work for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it.

I would like to hear the quote. I promise I won’t argue.

PL from Man. ?

 

[JIMMY 808]

I would like to hear the quote. I promise I won’t argue.

PL from Man. ?

Pm sent

 

[NB Rifles]

My point is, that if I don't use the bead to aim, then it doesn't matter to me how high it is, or if there even is one. Then again, some people may actually aim using the bead.

I guess I would have to say am one of those guys that always see's the front bead and the bird while shooting. That might be because I mostly shot rifles and handguns for decades and just got into shooting clays the past few years.
I shoot the gun again on the weekend and did MUCH better than the first time I shot it, I think knowing how the gun shot made a big difference. Am going to give it another try real soon and make a decision later. I couple of the long time shooters have been giving me a few pointers. The gun might suppose to be a 50/50 but there's no way that it is IMO. Thanks to all that have replied to my post.

 

[Falconflyer]

I guess I would have to say am one of those guys that always see's the front bead and the bird while shooting. That might be because I mostly shot rifles and handguns for decades and just got into shooting clays the past few years.
I shoot the gun again on the weekend and did MUCH better than the first time I shot it, I think knowing how the gun shot made a big difference. Am going to give it another try real soon and make a decision later. I couple of the long time shooters have been giving me a few pointers. The gun might suppose to be a 50/50 but there's no way that it is IMO. Thanks to all that have replied to my post.

That's why a lot of us are always preaching that you should shoot a gun that fits, and that you should have some one who knows what they are doing fit you for it. Unfortunately there are more guys around who think they know how to do this than what actually do know how so in a lot of cases your kinda on your own.
Shotgun stock dimensions are designed for the 'average' shooter with an average body and average sized/shaped face (if there is such a thing) and even though they design a gun to shoot a 50/50 pattern it isn't going to be the same for everyone. Adjustable combs have become very popular in the last few years simply because they allow you to tailor the stock to suit you. It's amazing what a difference that a small change can make.

 

[Bigbubba]

I guess I would have to say am one of those guys that always see's the front bead and the bird while shooting. That might be because I mostly shot rifles and handguns for decades and just got into shooting clays the past few years.
I shoot the gun again on the weekend and did MUCH better than the first time I shot it, I think knowing how the gun shot made a big difference. Am going to give it another try real soon and make a decision later. I couple of the long time shooters have been giving me a few pointers. The gun might suppose to be a 50/50 but there's no way that it is IMO. Thanks to all that have replied to my post.

Hi NB
Please note this is not criticism just free advice....
There is a big difference between shooting rifle/handguns and shooting shotguns that some people don't get unless it's explained.
The difference?

When you shoot a pistol you should be focused on the front sight. You should be thinking "front sight" all the time. You will "see" the target in the background behind your sights but you should be focusing on your front sight. LOOK AT YOUR FRONT SIGHT

Shotgunning is exactly opposite. You glue your face to the stock, and look down the barrel. When you call for your bird your eyes should be focused on the bird. Then your head/eyes/hands/gun all follow the bird until you shoot. You might "see" your sights but you should be "looking at" the bird. If you lift your head a touch you will miss. If you are not looking at the bird you will miss. If your shotgun does not fit you properly you will miss. LOOK AT THE BIRD, not at your sights.

 

[g-manz35]

That's why a lot of us are always preaching that you should shoot a gun that fits, and that you should have some one who knows what they are doing fit you for it. Unfortunately there are more guys around who think they know how to do this than what actually do know how so in a lot of cases your kinda on your own.
Shotgun stock dimensions are designed for the 'average' shooter with an average body and average sized/shaped face (if there is such a thing) and even though they design a gun to shoot a 50/50 pattern it isn't going to be the same for everyone. Adjustable combs have become very popular in the last few years simply because they allow you to tailor the stock to suit you. It's amazing what a difference that a small change can make.

I agree. I’m 6’2” and have long arms and neck. I really struggle to find a shotgun that fits. I can go shot and think I’m doing everything right, but I’m always tending to miss high. If I make a few adjustments to the stock Incan do what feels like the exact same thing, but now I’m crushing clay. There’s a lot going on in a short period of time when shotgunning. It has to all come together naturally so your shotgun has to fit.

 

[stubblejumper]

I agree. I’m 6’2” and have long arms and neck. I really struggle to find a shotgun that fits. I can go shot and think I’m doing everything right, but I’m always tending to miss high. If I make a few adjustments to the stock Incan do what feels like the exact same thing, but now I’m crushing clay. There’s a lot going on in a short period of time when shotgunning. It has to all come together naturally so your shotgun has to fit.

I used to only purchase shotguns that fit me fairly well from the factory, but both of my current clays guns required some significant stock modifications, which I did myself. What I found out, is that once I started doing stock work on my shotguns, I became even more fussy about fit, and my sporting clays scores have increased significantly this summer.

 

[joehunt]

Sounds to me like you might just have to adjust the way you are shooting trap. If your shooting skeet ok?
Trap shooters like a high shooting gun so they can shoot the target quickly out of the house without covering the bird with there barrels. However if your not shooting the target on the way up and maybe shooting it out as it levels off or even on the way down you are going to have to float the bird a lot. Maybe try getting more aggressive on the targets for trap shooting.
Joe