Advice needed on EE transaction.
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Sorry, it was an honest question......I'm thinking most modern handguns don't have numbered parts but I'm not sure
Now I'm not sure what you meant when you asked "Does this just apply to milsurp stuff or all HG's?""
Does what just apply?..... HG's having numbered parts?....disclosing preemptively in an ad that not all parts on a gun are number matching?......assuming guns offered for sale are all matching or original parts unless the ad says otherwise?
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If it doesn't cause you financial hardship offer for him to return it at his cost. It might be a lot of money to him. You have thought about this enough to post it so it must bug you. It was buyers fault for not asking in my opinion if it ment that much to him. Gun with this story might be nice to have for the story. Good luck.
As far as I am concerned every detail should be disclosed. If not then a refund should be due including shipping, or agree to a mutual settlement. If I sold a dbm rifle without a mag and failed to mention it that would be in my mind very bad. My opinion only.
Already done (see post #20)
- Location
- Brant County, Ontario
Guy is just seeking info from us if he was in the wrong or right. Relax there super star.
Your comparing a rusted barrel to a rifle with all factory parts but not matching. Easy there bud.
Recently bought a hard to get milsurp, after disassembly found out the bolt didn't match. I am sure the seller never had the gun apart and said he never fired it. The ad never stated that the major parts were matching. He was very helpful with many pictures. The onus was all on me for not asking if it was matching. Regardless, I am happy with the gun.
Phat Eagle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Fraser Valley, BC
My 2 cents: condition matters for milsurp, and that includes numbers matching... A good seller will note whether the gun matches or not; a wise buyer will ask.
Comes down to how much you value your trader rating... I've offered a full refund with shipping at their cost when buyers aren't satisfied.
Comes down to how much you value your trader rating... I've offered a full refund with shipping at their cost when buyers aren't satisfied.
Can’t speak for all, but glocks are numbered slide, barrel, and frame. Funnily enough I bought one that had a different frame number to the slide and barrel. Slide said Austria on the side, frame was USA. Not an issue to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I always give a 'no questions asked' three day no shooting, no dismantling, no switching out parts, inspection and return privileges. Simply because I know that it is a crap shoot buying on line when you cant hold the thing in your hand to scrutinise it.
I expect the same from any seller unless stated as is, no returns. Then I usually pass as I expect that there is something very wrong with it. But even then, if grossly misrepresented, it is bordering on deception. Not so in this case, the buyer should have asked, but no biggie.
Had one returned to me because his significant other freaked out at him spending the money. No prob for me, just send it back prepaid for full return of purchase cost. Buyer is out only the shipping both ways.
Does he want it or not? Take it or leave it? I don't get into a partial refund due to condition. That is a game that some buyers play in an attempt to get it cheaper than he agreed price. Some sellers sell because they are in need of the cash and that cash is gone the day it arrives, so difficult to refund when the dough is already spent!
With a surplussed arm that has been used and maintained in service and then handled by numerous dealers, if I buy it I expect non matching numbers to be the norm. It is a nice surprise and a bonus if I find it to be matching.
You are doing the right thing in refunding. The buyer can move along and continue his search for another one to buy.
Maybe next time he will ask more questions if something is important to him.
I always ask about bore condition. I can fix anything else, just cant fix worn out.
I expect the same from any seller unless stated as is, no returns. Then I usually pass as I expect that there is something very wrong with it. But even then, if grossly misrepresented, it is bordering on deception. Not so in this case, the buyer should have asked, but no biggie.
Had one returned to me because his significant other freaked out at him spending the money. No prob for me, just send it back prepaid for full return of purchase cost. Buyer is out only the shipping both ways.
Does he want it or not? Take it or leave it? I don't get into a partial refund due to condition. That is a game that some buyers play in an attempt to get it cheaper than he agreed price. Some sellers sell because they are in need of the cash and that cash is gone the day it arrives, so difficult to refund when the dough is already spent!
With a surplussed arm that has been used and maintained in service and then handled by numerous dealers, if I buy it I expect non matching numbers to be the norm. It is a nice surprise and a bonus if I find it to be matching.
You are doing the right thing in refunding. The buyer can move along and continue his search for another one to buy.
Maybe next time he will ask more questions if something is important to him.
I always ask about bore condition. I can fix anything else, just cant fix worn out.
I have no recollection of reading a milsurp EE post saying "non matching". Milsurps are generally rebuilt at arsenals after their service from random parts out of bins so a non-matching gun is not the exception but the rule.
If this mattered to the buyer, he should have enquired. If your post made no mention of matching numbers, I do not think you were misleading anyone either. Sounds like someone made an assumption and is now sour from it. His problem, not yours.
Section 11 of the rules is irrelevant. His ad made no mention of matching numbers and spoke to the condition of the pistol. It would be relevant had he stated that the pistol was in fact matching.
If this mattered to the buyer, he should have enquired. If your post made no mention of matching numbers, I do not think you were misleading anyone either. Sounds like someone made an assumption and is now sour from it. His problem, not yours.
Section 11 of the rules is irrelevant. His ad made no mention of matching numbers and spoke to the condition of the pistol. It would be relevant had he stated that the pistol was in fact matching.
Interesting. I recently purchased an older firearm on the EE that had a bent front sight, wasn't mentioned in ad description or photos. The gun is off POA ~1-2" at 7 yards.
When asked, the seller said he was aware it's bent, but didn't notice any POA/POI shift. He said a well known CGN sponsor gunsmith did the sight install and they returned it to him that way.
The seller has over 100 positive EE feedback. The gun is really hard to find so I'm keeping it even with the bent sight, but it felt like an overpay at the price for the actual condition.
Weapontech
CGN frequent flyer
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^^^ This, is the answer.
Exactly, plus here is a scenario for the ones all about seller disclosing it should have matched. So guy sells a gun, he is no expert just bought it, never took it completely apart but all the outside # match. So when buyer gets it he is an expert and notices a “number” is not matching on a handguard or other small part, as I said he is no expert. So has he mislead the buyer? I think not, onus is still on the buyer.
The seller knew the front sight was bent when he was selling it, but didn't mention it in the ad or have a photo of it. The seller didn't mention if the CGN gunsmith bent it or the post office.
