Stag 10 vs BCL 102... the unspoken question

[bananarama]

As far as for what I see it as, I don't really care or can't get wound up about the Stag.

BCL/NEA and SFRC seemed to find the chink in the armor of the RCMP lab, and opened the doors to a wonderful world that seems to be unfolding as we speak. No small feat.

One is Canadian made/manufactured, one is not. If we want good things in Canada, we need to support Canadian business and initiatives. From the rough timelines stated in other threads, I'm not really sure that Stag really cared about the Canadian market, until a door was opened, and a Canadian company (AE) walked them through it. Seems it was all Canadian companies involved in prying around that door, looking for the opening.

After the hard work was done, now can follow the larger manufacturers, who experienced near zero risk, to capitalize on what Canadian entities worked for. Bravo for them.

No comments from me on quality of either. I'll leave that to the others. Strictly on the merits of how the recent NR door was opened, I'll keep my dollars feeding the ones that made that happen. And maybe I'm the only one, but when I see a Maple Leaf on something, and directly under that is the US manufacturer info, that fairly well ends any attraction I may have had.

Simply put, I'm happy to support Canadians ahead of US citizens, when the lines are so close. There would have to be some serious differences (economic and quality) to sway me from that. I don't see enough difference, in this case, to sway me.

YMMV

I will soon own both...

What is the utmost importance to me is a rifle that feeds, fires and extracts 99.9% of the time meaning I am willing to accept 1 mechanical failure in 1000 rounds.
If the rifle doesn't do that, well its crap.

Guess how my BCL is doing?

 

[ARMS EAST]

I wouldn't too much about that warranty, its only valid in the USA.

Arms East is the CDN Stag Arms Warranty Depot. We service the Stag Arms factory-rifle lifetime warranty in Canada on everything we import.

 

[beltfed]

Where's your proof?

I'm not aware of anything other than anecdotal evidence from industry and competition circles. People such as Derick Martin with Accuracy Speaks, and David Tubb to name two. But don't believe me or them if you wish, the proof is as far away as your gun cabinet and testing at the range to gain first hand knowledge of the subject matter.
Reference the coating: try reading the military specifications for Type III anodizing and comparing it to the specifications to cerakoat
Look at the ASTM tests that both have met or exceeded.
Then come back and tell me one is 'miles ahead' - it's Bullsh!t and you know it.

 

[mquality]

My experience with the BCL 102 was tainted from the time i received mine.
1.bolt would not hold open ambi bolt release stuck in receiver on right side.
2.Rear take down pin was half way in only and would not go in .
3.Trigger reset was hit and miss when firing.
4.Charging handle pin came out the bottom gouged the reciever.
1.fixed by pulling out ambi bolt release and filing it to fit cut out.
2.fixed by hone out the finish material out of pin hole to allow rear pin install.
3.I hated the ambi saftey loose and floppy.Reset problem? installed a dpms lower parts kit.
4. fixed by changed charging handle to bcm.
I ordered a STAG 10 and have sold the BCL it worked well when i sold it.
STAG ar 15 purchased a upper and parts kit .purchased a lower receiver .Assembled the lower popped on the upper to the range i went.Works perfectly.
I am 100 percent sure that i will be very pleased with the stag 10 .The stag ar 15 i have has been an awesome rifle .zero problems.

 

[HirvGotti]

The finish is miles ahead on the Stag.

I've posted some comparison photos below which speak for themselves. I sized the images to be able to put them side by side, at full resolution it gets even scarier

BCL left, STAG right

 

[Dr. Hunter]

Bcl is done. There is currently no reason to go with a 102 over a stag. They had a good run while it lasted

 

[RAConnol]

I don't take my rifles to bed, so I shoot them and toss them if I don't like them.

I cannot speak about anyone else's experience, however, I have had my 102 for almost two months now, and it works just fine.
This weekend I took my Tavor 21 up for a couple hundred rounds, and when my trigger finger was totally worn out with the stock trigger, I pulled out the 102 and shot another 100 rounds without issue. I also have a Robinson Arms XCR-L and for the most part I am not a fan of direct impingement anything. The poop where you eat is something I never really cared for, however, the 102 is made in Canada and I get that "special discount" so I figured what the heck.

I am reading of several comments about reliability and accuracy, I found that if I keep the BCG as wet as I do with the XCR then I have not issued at all.

BTW the Israelis build rifles like their lives depend on it on, well because they do.

As I mentioned about, when I was done with the Tavor, I set up a plastic paint can cap on a wood target frame at 250 yards. I missed the first two shots, but I cannot blame that on anything other than operator error.

Food for thought, not any challenge or anyone else's experience.
Also, I did do the paracord mod on the 102's stock trigger and I really like the results.

Of course my little brother from Calgary says, it's H&K or nothing.

 

[OldRussian]

The finish is miles ahead on the Stag.

I've posted some comparison photos below which speak for themselves. I sized the images to be able to put them side by side, at full resolution it gets even scarier

BCL left, STAG right

BCL is a joke.

 

[Markit]

My BCL upper and lower were stripped of ceracoat before being sent in for anodizing.

The shop that stripped the ceracoat showed me pictures of the stripped receiver set and referred to the inside of the upper receiver as having spiral fluting. They were not wrong. The ceracoat hid a lot of machining defects, most of which did not really bother me, but the recess where the bolt Carrier group rides was especially primitive. Not sure if their tooling was worn or what the issue was, but it looked like it had been machined on a drill press given the chatter marks.

They also indicated they had never seen such a thick ceracoat finish before.

I regret my rush to support a canadian company and should have known better.

 

[RAConnol]

Here are pictures of mine moments out of the packing box.
It appears the most current version of the 102 is much improved over the previous generations.

 

[Hutchy]

You could see all the machining lines through the finish on mine even on flat parts. Looked good in the dark but in the sunlight you could see everything.

People are saying they don't care about the finish and want Canadian made but when you start realizing how much money it takes to build one of these do you really want a poor quality finish on your 2,3,4,5 thousand dollar gun made out of an undisclosed grade of aluminum?

With stag you know what you are getting.

 

[bananarama]

Here are pictures of mine moments out of the packing box.
It appears the most current version of the 102 is much improved over the previous generations.

wait till your ambi bolt hold hold open breaks and your safety walks out.

I keep replacing the btoken parts, aside from the receivers I am down to only the bcg and barrel left. Those will be replaced soon as well.

 

[DiabeticKripple]

I need to change the bolt catch on my rifle.

It won’t stay locked back after slight bump. It will lock back without a Mag, but if I ever so gently set it down on the table it slams forward. I never put my fingers in there.

 

[bananarama]

I need to change the bolt catch on my rifle.

It won’t stay locked back after slight bump. It will lock back without a Mag, but if I ever so gently set it down on the table it slams forward. I never put my fingers in there.

same here, exactly same problem, except mine also locks back randomly even if the mag isn't empty

this rifle feels like a 48 year old divorced soccer mom that keeps going to get plastic surgery to keep up with her 28 year old surfer boyfriend.

 

[Dr. Hunter]

Hahaha. Having minimal bcl parts is probably the way to go.

 

[Leg]

What is up with that trigger guard? I mean a stock trigger guard costs next to nothing and they throw on a custom piece that appears to do sweet F’all except possible get in the way of you folding it down the way it was intended to in the first place. Why do they insist on adding bull#### features that no one is asking for and only increases the price and/or lower profit?

A2 grip looks a little off as well. I’m sure it’s perfectly serviceable though.

 

[Sunchild2071]

With stag you know what you are getting.

In the one picture from Stag, I could clearly see the same feature "gap" on the dust cover that had people losing their marbles about that on the BCL (a few days of flavor of the week #####ing, really)

Can anyone provide an unbiased photo of the Stag dust cover, pushed both forward and back. You could see the radius of the ejection port, on the Stag picture, quite clearly.

No one seems to want to answer that in the other thread. Let's see what happens here.

 

[HirvGotti]

In the one picture from Stag, I could clearly see the same feature "gap" on the dust cover that had people losing their marbles about that on the BCL (a few days of flavor of the week #####ing, really)

Can anyone provide an unbiased photo of the Stag dust cover, pushed both forward and back. You could see the radius of the ejection port, on the Stag picture, quite clearly.

No one seems to want to answer that in the other thread. Let's see what happens here.

Give me a second I will make a video

 

[DILLIGAF]

Can anyone provide an unbiased photo of the Stag dust cover, pushed both forward and back. You could see the radius of the ejection port, on the Stag picture, quite clearly.

I dont know what your smoking, this isn't a POS BCL part. it doesn't move forward and back when closed. The fact that BCL called the lack of QC a " Feature " is whats mind blowing. ! And furthermore on my Gen 1 BCL102 the dust cover was perfect. its only when those clown decided to screw up the BCL and make the Gen 2 that it all whent to CHIT. and as you can also see the Pic rail is properly deburred as well... lol...

 

[HirvGotti]