Good non restricted "AR" type rifle.
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onetwentyish
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And for that price difference you get billet reciever sets, an integrated ambi bolt release, a side charging handle, match barrel and Timney trigger, as well as a local shop that will look after you.
So in reality, if those proprietary features and not so basic "basic" parts are of interest to you, the price for the MH is appropriate.
My MH in 6.5 feeds just fine from 308 XCR-M pistol mags
The base model for $1000 more comes with a match grade stainless barrel and a Timney trigger. I'm not knocking the Stag, I've owned Stag AR's before and they make great rifles but if you're going to compare prices try to compare rifles with similar equipment. Add a quality stainless barrel and a quality trigger to the Stag and the prices are not far off.
If the Stag uses a forged receiver then you've got another cost to overcome comparing it to the ATRS product.
They're all great products but there are reasons some cost more than others and it isn't a non restricted tax and it isn't us being bent over the table because there are no choices. We don't need these rifles, they're simply toys that we like, if you don't like the price or the manufacturer of one then don't buy that rifle.
I agree to most , but , my Stag will come in cheaper than the MH.
Stag 10 Set $570
Geiselle National match $340
Christensen Arms CFW match barrel $750
MI 15 inch hand guard $340
CTR /Buffer/spring/ tube $150
Brownells light weight BCG $550
Raptor CH. $120
$2800+\_ a few.
I did catch a couple of deals, but still under $3000.
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Whichever way you go it's good to have choices, and competition keeps the retailers honest.
Everything being equal my first choice would usually be a Canadian product but I am going for the Stag AR10 here.
Everything being equal my first choice would usually be a Canadian product but I am going for the Stag AR10 here.
onetwentyish
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Yeah, but your rifle isn't complete with that list nor will it have the same features list as a basic MH. It also wont have billit recievers, and it also won't be assembled and warrantied by a professional shop. All consideration one must remember.
True, but what have I missed? Besides Charging Handle.
Building them isn’t that difficult.
I give ya the warranty and billet??
I also get that ATRS is a much smaller company than stag and has the disadvantage of dealing in Canada.
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onetwentyish
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CH is a big one, but in addition to that it still seems your missing a gas system, LPK and a few small upper bits.
Still wont have the ambi bolt release either which is my favorite feature the MH has over other designs.
Assembly is not a big deal but lots of folks dont have the time or know how, and it requires additional expense in the form of tools.
Small parts kits for upper and lower
Does the barrel come with gas block and tube?
Bolt lapped?
You're right, assembly is easy but having it professionally assembled and hand fit is a nice touch.
Of course a similar rifle that should perform just as well can be built for cheaper, but it will always be worth less on resale with a forged receiver set and being a Franken AR. Most of us already know from experience, a factory built rifle is easier to sell and holds more value than a Franken rifle no matter how nice the parts are.
I'm looking forward to seeing some of these builds, I will have to be strong and resist the temptation to buy the Stag set.
My next purchase will be the ATRS varmint sized receiver set since I have all the parts needed sitting here.
Yes, I like the ambi bolt release as well.
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I didn’t say it was better, literally just listed the differences. About my last point, the first receivers had anodizing issues, I made a joke. Lighten up, I’m here for information and fun lol.
I like the ATRS offering, and you’re okay with what the SLR offers. I like to think I’m funny, always take that into consideration when reading my replies
The CA barrel comes with a LP GB and rifle lenght tube.
The Stag kit comes with a FA/ LPK/ and a milspec trigger.
So ,you throw a CFW barrel and Geiselle national match on the MH, where does that bring us?
I can’t comment on the billit verses the Stag??
But then again, I doubt it makes any difference to me.
At the end of the day, out of the three NR AR10 ish rifles,that’s available to us,
The Stag wins
Don’t get me wrong, I like ricks stuff, I’ve purchased two MV,s and have an MS on order.
But he needs to revisit the MH.
"AR" type = cool looking modern rifle similar to AR in cosmetic profile?
Billet receivers make zero difference in any aspect. They are slightly more durable but not enough to warrant their necessity. Ambi bolt release is a whatever "feature". In my opinion it's pointless window dressing, especially or those doing precision work where speed isn't the name of the game. Timney triggers are ok but not amazing. Changing a trigger is easy to do at a later date, if you don't like/want the Timney you're still paying for it.
Again, match parts are not all they're cracked up to be, especially for those who aren't going to feed it with match ammo. If you're not tailoring your gear to the intended role then you're simply chasing a shiny object. Be realistic with what you expect the rifle(that is the entire setup) to do and go from there. Building an all Match grade rifle for a plinker or hunting gun is plain stupid. A lot of wasted dollars that would be better served on ammo, training, or a better optic.
Again, billet receivers are neither here nor there, no difference in performance at the end of the day. Nowhere did I say the MH won't work with pistol mags.
I agree to most , but , my Stag will come in cheaper than the MH.
Stag 10 Set $570
Geiselle National match $340
Christensen Arms CFW match barrel $750
MI 15 inch hand guard $340
CTR /Buffer/spring/ tube $150
Brownells light weight BCG $550
Raptor CH. $120
$2800+\_ a few.
I did catch a couple of deals, but still under $3000.
Significantly less and it doesn't take proprietary parts, like bolt carriers.
Billet makes no difference.
Side charge handle is another whatever "feature" and contributes to the proprietary parts required for the rifle. Ambi bolt release is in the same boat. The Stag is assembled by professionals as well, from a company that produces an infinitely greater number of rifles than ATRS and has been doing so for a lot longer(on the semi auto side).
I didn’t say it was better, literally just listed the differences. About my last point, the first receivers had anodizing issues, I made a joke. Lighten up, I’m here for information and fun lol.
I like the ATRS offering, and you’re okay with what the SLR offers. I like to think I’m funny, always take that into consideration when reading my replies
Not much point in discussing differences that make no difference. The first runs of SLR receivers had minor issues with the anodizing and the option to wait for corrected ones was given. Offering your false narrative doesn't help those who aren't up to speed on the situation, it's simply false information. If you're here for information would you not prefer that information to be factual or are you just a connoisseur of all info??
They do make a difference to some people. Why cant you just accept that ? This is the cool part about this hobby! not everyone wants the same looking rifle as the next guy.
But saying the SLR is almost an AR is laughable.
Do tell what makes it so different from an AR or MS for that matter? Explain how push pins, and a less slant cut mag well make any difference other than in appearance?? If looks are high on your priority list then you're simply fooling yourself.
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Sounding more like a lefty with every post. "If you don't see it my way, you are wrong" sort of thing. We all get it, you are 1000% a loyal SLR fan and in your opinion there is nothing else, especially if made in Canada.
The 1st batch of SLR receivers had ano issues, it happens people and can happen to anyone. How a company deals with hiccups like this is what is important.
They ran into delays, as we did on our first run. It happens. Learn from the mistakes and carry on. OK?
The advantage that billet has is that you can be more creative and offer options that forgings simply don't have. Like ambi bolt release which I think is vastly superior to any clamp on or bolt on abortion that can be added after the fact. It is simple, faster and most people like it. Things like captured detents and springs, custom fire control markings and serial numbers could be done with forgings for sure, but for some reason no-one offers this. IF Canada had a larger sales market or IF any Canadian manufacturer could sell their AR like guns in the USA it would be worth the cost of getting custom forgings made, but the fact is we don't, so ALL of the small manufacturers in Canada are pretty much forced to either make their parts from billet or purchase forgings from 1 of the few manufacturers who actually do the forgings. This then makes the lowers restricted in 99.9% of cases. SO there IS a benefit to billets whether you like it or not. Billets allow small Canadian makers to offer stuff like the MH, MV, MS, SLR etc.
I LIKE side charge as all of my guns have big scopes and the side charge is easier to manipulate with a large optic on it AND you don't get the puff of exhaust gasses in the face with every shot like you do with a rear charge handle. Most folk here can't have suppressors, but for those who can side charge as we designed it has a SIGNIFICANT advantage in this respect. This was my complaint with the ASA system, the blast of hot gas in the face with every shot.
To each their own is what it boils down to.
