Good non restricted "AR" type rifle.
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My Stag came in at about $1600 (IRG deals)
Lol back on topic he says...except the topic is truely about NR "AR like" rifles... Also some good news is ur missing ALOT of firearms on that list! It's great seeing Canadas NR semi auto list grow to a point people have a hard time naming them all
Lol back on topic he says...except the topic is truely about NR "AR like" rifles... Also some good news is ur missing ALOT of firearms on that list! It's great seeing Canadas NR semi auto list grow to a point people have a hard time naming them all
And your contribution in furthering our collective knowledge base is .. ? Exactly as I thought. None.
Oh wait, you did recommend a NON AR type rifle in the MR1. So that must make you a winner. Congratulations. You've won the internet today - take the rest of the day off lest you overwhelm us with your awesomeness.
Thanks man, I've tried so hard for this! Oh the CX4 is a 9mm BTW just saying. There i just furtherd ur knowledge, and chill man, didn't say ur list was bad, just saying there's options missing and that's a sign of good times for us repressed Canadian gun owners
How you feel is entirely personal preference, there is no definitive answer that one colour is better than another, same for flavour, personal choice. If you want to discuss which colour tends to put people at ease then yes there is a definitive trend. That is another discussion and involves a quantitative value based on FACTS and evidence.
The FACT is, the shape of the receiver has ZERO definitive effect on the performance or reliability of the firearm. Absolutely it will effect the aesthetic appeal for some. For those who apply logic and are concerned with tangible features the shape is of no value. Same for push pins.
Billet? We were talking about cost so billet receivers is one of the reasons the ATRS product costs more. I never said it was better from a performance point of view and I agree that other than making the receiver a little stiffer which could potentially increase accuracy slightly and that it makes it easier to have ambi controls there really isn't a performance gain even though some customers value those features. I love the ambi bolt release, it's nice when I'm sitting at a bench and I get the rifle lined up on target with a loaded magazine inserted and the bolt locked back and I can drop the bolt using my trigger finger then move to the trigger in one simple motion without taking my eye out from behind the scope. Could I live without it? Sure.
Personal choice on the bolt release, which also does not make it a traditional AR by design. I understand that billet makes offering such controls easier but it can be done in a forged receiver at the very high cost of new forgings. Again, not a factor specific to billet over forged, simply a factor of cost and ease of manufacture.
I have to ask, what does remaining behind the optic do for you if the rifle is empty? Your sight picture will change when you drop the bolt and you are shooting from the bench which predicates that speed is not a critical factor in your shooting.
For me and especially on this rifle match parts are better. I mostly bought this rifle for precision shooting and as a challenge to myself to be better shooting a semi auto accurately. I only feed my rifle handloads so match parts work well for me and my intended use. The MH was never advertised as a plinker or surplus eater so to me it isn't a negative that it's a little finicky.
The problems many had with their MH were because of exactly what I value in the rifle. Many bought this rifle thinking they were buying an expensive AR-10 for plinking and bought it thinking it was going to shoot surplus and soft point hunting ammo even though the manufacturer posted right on their site that it was picky with ammo.
That may well be true but any rifle that can't run reliably with factory ammo is a lemon.
The MH does not take a proprietary bolt carrier, it takes a modified bolt carrier which is an easy modification for any gunsmith or even a skilled do it yourselfer and any carrier can be used. And again, the MH was never advertised as being milspec or that it was going to be our latest lego toy to customize and mess with. It comes decked out with the customers choice of options so I doubt there was much consideration for further major mods when they were designing it.
Modified equals proprietary. If you can't buy it off the shelf, it's proprietary. Replacement BCG means a trip to the smith. Another aspect that makes the MV/MH series less like an AR.
Again, you're right, ambi stuff and billet makes no difference to performance but some people like those options and even though the groups on paper won't show it those features are a performance improvement for the user if it makes it easier to use or if they are left handed or something. Even if it doesn't improve downrange performance it can still be an improvement to the rifle ergonomics which is worth something to some.
Unless you can quantify those statements with hard numbers, it is simply opinion. Many a left handed shooter has been using a standard AR pattern rifle for over half a century without issue. Ambi controls are not necessary and provide zero benefit to the performance or reliability of the rifle.
Don't worry ABblaster, you're not going on my ignore list. I don't find your stubbornness offensive and I like to debate which is exactly what I look forward to doing in the forums. Some days I learn something and other days I get to be the teacher. It's how we share knowledge and experience. The biggest challenge is figuring out who to learn from.
Much appreciated, a good banter is always entertaining
in the RED
I wasn't referencing Kratos specifically, I was making a generalized statement about peoples belief that the differences really matter as far as performance or reliability is concerned. The differences are cosmetic, nothing more.
Interesting viewpoints. Back on topic. Semiautomatic Non Restricted Black Rifle options that I am aware of:
5.56mm NATO
<$1k
WK180-C
MDI SLR Stripped Upper-Lower Receiver Set
ATRS Modern Sporter Stripped Upper-Lower Receiver Set
Norinco T97 (Bullpup)Not AR like at all
$1k-$1.5k
Beretta CX4 Strom (Bullpup-ish)Not 5.56x45 or 7.62x51
CSA/ Kodiak Vz-58 Pattern RiflesNot AR like at all
$1.5k-$2k
AR180 (only available used)Quite rare
Benelli MR1Not AR like at all
Keltec RDB (Bullpup)Not AR like at all, pure garbage
$2k-$2.5k
FAMAE SG 542Not AR like at all
HK SL8Not AR like at all
Tavor TAR-21/X95 (Bullpup)Not AR like at all
$2.5k-$3k
Robinson Arms XCR-LHAHAHAHA, not even close to AR like
FN FS2000 (only available used; Bullpup)Discontinued lemon that is far from AR like
>$3k
Bushmaster ACR Kind of AR like, uses STANAG mags.
B&T APC223Not AR like at all
Swiss Arms SG 550Not an SG 550, they are Swiss Arms Classic Green, Black Special, Blue Star, Red Devil, or Heavy metal. And not AR like at all
ATRS Modern VarmintFairly AR like
Valmet M76 (only available used)Not AR like at all
Norinco Type 88 (only available used; Bullpup)HAHAHAHA Nowhere close to AR like.
7.62mm NATO
<$1k
Norinco M305Not AR like at all
Stag 10 Stripped Upper-Lower Receiver SetHalf an AR
BCL Stripped Upper-Lower Receiver SetMostly AR like, but junk.
$1.5k-$2k
BCL 102Mostly AR like but junk
Stag 10 Complete Rifle pretty much an AR10
$2k-$2.5k
FAMAE SG540Not AR like at all
Keltec RFB (Bullpup)HAHAHAHA not even close to AR like
$2.5k-$3k
Robinson Arms XCR-MNot even close to AR like
M14 Derivatives (US made)Not even close to AR like
>$3k
ATRS Modern HunterMostly AR like
M14 Derivatives (US made)See above
Valmet M78 (only available used)Not even close
7.62mmx39
<$1k
Norinco Type 81Wrong calibre and not even close to AR like
$1.5k-$2k
M10xWrong calibre and not even close to AR like
$2.5k-$3k
Robinson Arms XCR-LWrong calibre and not even close to AR like
>$3k
Valmet M76 (only available used)Wrong calibre and not even close to AR like
Note: I've left out surplus rifles (eg. SKS) and oddball rifles (eg. SL7) / variations/ calibers from the above list and probably forgot a few current ones too. Used approximate retail price for categorization. If I am off by a lot, LMK and will update.
The OP wanted to know about "AR type" rifles, you've listed a bunch of rifles that don't come anywhere close to being "AR type" in any stretch of the imagination.
My recommendation: Pick your caliber, maximum budget, try as many as you can and then get the one that tickles you the hardest. I don't place much stock in manufacturer claims - most of it is drivel to up-sell you on something you think you need. See what fits you and one you will enjoy shooting and don't forget to factor in the cost of optic, ammo & training. My first rifle was a used XCR-L that I shot the snot out of and it still runs like a champ. If I were to do it again, I would just have gotten a used Swiss Arms as my first one as the pricing on new ones is just naughty.
In the red, the bold is excellent advice.
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Agreed. A great list. Why do mommy and daddy keep fighting?
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+1! Haven’t seen much of your posts but you’ve got some good info! Thanks!
You’re so much fun, I could keep you going for days. But I’m done here, probably starting to p!ss everyone off.
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Not me! I’m enjoying this! Then again, I’m one of those NR be damned guys. I’m a range shooter anyways. Just give me my AR and be done with it! At least till another freeking libtard majority!
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What does the thread title say?? "Good non restricted AR type rifle". Tell how a Valmet, a Swiss, an XCR, or any of the bullpup garbage is anywhere close to an "Ar type rifle"??
Oh don't get me wrong, I love my AR's and they won't be going anywhere, but the non res SLR is an excellent alternative.
