Most Ruger MK-II's are CRF. The early tang safety Rugers looked like CRF, but were not. Some of the 1st year MK-II's were not true CRF either, but Ruger changed that sometime during the 1st or 2nd year of production.
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Most Ruger MK-II's are CRF. The early tang safety Rugers looked like CRF, but were not. Some of the 1st year MK-II's were not true CRF either, but Ruger changed that sometime during the 1st or 2nd year of production.
no...easier to customize
I know people have been waiting for my input on this so here it is:
I would suggest any bolt action with a 1 in 8 or 9 twist. Tikka T3x or Weatherby would be my choice. As a current T3x owner they shoot really good - now don't cheap out on scope rings mine are the Opti-loc set them once and have not had to touch them since. Scope you can not go wrong with a Leupold 3-9x40 or the one I have with is the 3xi 2.5-8x36. However, as others have recommended go and check them out the weatherby is heavier than the Tikka - Cabelas have Weartherby S2 for $599.97 now you can get a Tikka for about $800.00 ishy
cheers
I would suggest any bolt action with a 1 in 8 or 9 twist. Tikka T3x or Weatherby would be my choice. As a current T3x owner they shoot really good - now don't cheap out on scope rings mine are the Opti-loc set them once and have not had to touch them since. Scope you can not go wrong with a Leupold 3-9x40 or the one I have with is the 3xi 2.5-8x36. However, as others have recommended go and check them out the weatherby is heavier than the Tikka - Cabelas have Weartherby S2 for $599.97 now you can get a Tikka for about $800.00 ishy
cheers
unknown at this time...to many choices!...and i have to find one first. Like most great Smiths that i have read about its about the base and on from there.
i hear Leupold is not what it used to be...although Optics, you are correct are important.
that only works on cars....and flsme throwers are no fun with gophers
no one said it was going to be inexpensive..except...
Ok, reading through the entire thread, I'm going to try and helpful and avoid being pithy (I just finished a really nice cup of tea, so I'm in my happy place), as well as clarify my previous comment.
My biggest problem with Savage rifles is the Lawyer Action Trigger. That dingus thingy just doesn't belong on a rifle (actually, doesn't belong on a pistol either, but that's a whole separate rant). It just feels wrong, to me anyway. And it strikes me as an extra, entirely unnecessary mechanism with the potential to gum up and f@ck up over time. In terms of accuracy and long term reliability, Savage has a fairly decent reputation, and I'm not going to argue against that. They "feel" kind of cheap in the hand, but they work.
CZ's are a definite step up. The single-set trigger is a dream to use, and really nice for precision shooting applications like varminting. They also have very good barrels, and on average are going to beat out most other rifles in the mid price range for accuracy. Fit and finish is above what you'll get at the same price point in just about any other North American or European made rifle. Sure, they're more expensive than other mid-range rifles, but when you look at what you get for what you pay, they still have a pretty good value proposition. I have 3 CZ rifles, and if I could afford to replace all my bolts with CZ's, I probably would.
Other choices:
Remington 700. Cabela's has the 700 SPS Varmint for $899.00, and that's a decent price for a good gun. One of the nice things about the 700, is that it's so common, and aftermarket parts and mods are plenty. New trigger, new bolt, new stock, whatever... It's all out there. You can customize it over time to make it exactly your rifle, and there's a lot to be said for that.
Zastava M85. I have an M85 Stutzen Stock (aka Manlicher), in 7.62x39, and I've been quite happy. If you want to spend the time, they have an adjustable trigger that can be tuned to however you want it. Tuning the M85 trigger is a bit fiddly, but well within the skill set of anyone with some jeweler's screwdrivers and some patience. From what I can tell, the Stutzen stock rifles are a "premium" offering with better QC and fit and finish than the standard M85's. They're nice, classic, wood and blue steel rifles for reasonable prices. CZ's are better rifles, but the M85's are a decent value, and I'd definitely take one over a Savage.
Caliber:
I say .223 instead of 22-250 largely because of price and availability. It's just a lot cheaper to shoot .223, there are far more options for commercial rounds, and it's a lot easier to find, than 22-250. 22-250, ballistically, is a better cartridge. But over time, the cost of the ammo adds up (buying the rifle is generally the cheap part, feeding it is where the cost really starts to add up).
Hope that, if nothing else, this gives some food for thought.
My biggest problem with Savage rifles is the Lawyer Action Trigger. That dingus thingy just doesn't belong on a rifle (actually, doesn't belong on a pistol either, but that's a whole separate rant). It just feels wrong, to me anyway. And it strikes me as an extra, entirely unnecessary mechanism with the potential to gum up and f@ck up over time. In terms of accuracy and long term reliability, Savage has a fairly decent reputation, and I'm not going to argue against that. They "feel" kind of cheap in the hand, but they work.
CZ's are a definite step up. The single-set trigger is a dream to use, and really nice for precision shooting applications like varminting. They also have very good barrels, and on average are going to beat out most other rifles in the mid price range for accuracy. Fit and finish is above what you'll get at the same price point in just about any other North American or European made rifle. Sure, they're more expensive than other mid-range rifles, but when you look at what you get for what you pay, they still have a pretty good value proposition. I have 3 CZ rifles, and if I could afford to replace all my bolts with CZ's, I probably would.
Other choices:
Remington 700. Cabela's has the 700 SPS Varmint for $899.00, and that's a decent price for a good gun. One of the nice things about the 700, is that it's so common, and aftermarket parts and mods are plenty. New trigger, new bolt, new stock, whatever... It's all out there. You can customize it over time to make it exactly your rifle, and there's a lot to be said for that.
Zastava M85. I have an M85 Stutzen Stock (aka Manlicher), in 7.62x39, and I've been quite happy. If you want to spend the time, they have an adjustable trigger that can be tuned to however you want it. Tuning the M85 trigger is a bit fiddly, but well within the skill set of anyone with some jeweler's screwdrivers and some patience. From what I can tell, the Stutzen stock rifles are a "premium" offering with better QC and fit and finish than the standard M85's. They're nice, classic, wood and blue steel rifles for reasonable prices. CZ's are better rifles, but the M85's are a decent value, and I'd definitely take one over a Savage.
Caliber:
I say .223 instead of 22-250 largely because of price and availability. It's just a lot cheaper to shoot .223, there are far more options for commercial rounds, and it's a lot easier to find, than 22-250. 22-250, ballistically, is a better cartridge. But over time, the cost of the ammo adds up (buying the rifle is generally the cheap part, feeding it is where the cost really starts to add up).
Hope that, if nothing else, this gives some food for thought.
that is a full course meal! and most say the accutrigger is not great. change trigger? and stock? thanks
