My SLR is a piece of S#!T

[jiffx2781]

Got mine on Monday. At first I thought it was "ok" until I looked a little closer at things.

I'll probably be the first owner of one to admit that my $1K purchase is a complete piece of S#!T.

1. Anodizing is the s#!ttyist job I have ever seen

2. The T9 for the trigger housing was a piss off. Had to drive back to my shop to get one after already being disappointed with the finish job. I bet a lot of guys with only basic tool kits will be running out special trip to buy a T9

3. I tried 3 different safety selectors and they were all so tight you can't even feel where the detent is.

4. MFT pistol mags were the only mags I had that would drop free and didn't need jammed into the magwell.

5. Dust cover pin sticks out and needs ground down shorter.

6. The takedown bolt's retaining bolt does not retain the takedown bolt.

7. Screwed up 3 bolt release pins. Finally got one in by putting the pin in a drill and running it on some emery cloth to make it a LOT smaller.

8. Had 2 different receiver endplates and neither would fit on properly because the hole in the rear of the receiver was just too tight for the endplate to fit into. Ended up hitting it with a hammer to get it to fit flush.

9. Got pissed off at every aspect of this abomination being out of spec and said F$@& IT!! I'm not putting my good parts on this piece of S#!T!!

10. Ordered another ATRS. At least I know it won't be a ##### up.


For $1000 the SLR is a total joke.

I've got my flame suit on ready for when the fanboys that won't admit they got shafted as well show up....

 

[scourge18a]

Ya the anodizing is the big one. For $1k that's unacceptable.
My anodizing is good but has similar tight spots, mainly just the bolt catch pin on mine and I had to notch the inside of my Odin handguard due to the width of the dust cover pin housing. My safety is fine and metal mags drop free, polymer will drop free I'm sure after light use.
But again for $1k it should be about perfect.

 

[HotSoup]

Its kinda ####ty.

Anodizing is junk.

Parts dont fit properly.

This company is a joke.

Source: im building my friends.

 

[scourge18a]

Maybe contact Mac Def and see what they're going to do for you. I read somebody else cracked there bolt catch pin housing and replacement was sent out promptly.

 

[FoxAlpha]

Although I did expect better than what I got I don't mind giving a new company an opportunity and taking a chance.

$1000 isn't going to make or break me but one thing's for certain, I won't be giving them another chance.

I'm not saying I wouldn't give them a chance, I just wait until after the first release of anything before I buy unless it comes from a very reputable company.

Way too many startup companies fail because they rush their product to market before perfecting it and end up selling shyte and ruining their momentum. We'll see what the future holds. I'd hate to see yet another place go the way of the NEA/BCL

 

[cr5]

I'm not saying I wouldn't give them a chance, I just wait until after the first release of anything before I buy unless it comes from a very reputable company.

Way too many startup companies fail because they rush their product to market before perfecting it and end up selling shyte and ruining their momentum. We'll see what the future holds. I'd hate to see yet another place go the way of the NEA/BCL

I thought that was the main cause of all the delays getting them out to customers in the first place? Didn't someone say they didn't want to rush so that they could deliver a top quality product the first time around?

I don't really understand how they could release stuff like this. Don't they take one of the production pieces and build it with off the shelf parts to make sure they have the tolerances right BEFORE releasing the batch to customers?
I'm hoping that everyone who has problems with theirs at minimum calls MacDef and tells them about the problems but it would be even better if everyone contacted them and asked for a replacement. Just like BCL, the customer should not be the beta tester and the customer should not have simply work around the deficiencies. For $1000 you can buy a complete non restricted rifle (as Driller happily rubbed in ).

Maybe MacDef is a child company of BCL

 

[jiffx2781]

I thought that was the main cause of all the delays getting them out to customers in the first place? Didn't someone say they didn't want to rush so that they could deliver a top quality product the first time around?

I don't really understand how they could release stuff like this. Don't they take one of the production pieces and build it with off the shelf parts to make sure they have the tolerances right BEFORE releasing the batch to customers?

EXACTLY

Also CSC posted in another thread a bit ago that they have had no issues installing any parts that they have tried. Since 9/10 people who have posted about their receiver have said they are having issues I call BS

I tried a mil-spec safety from a Stag lpk and one from a TNA lpk as well as an Elftmann push button safety and none would work without a lot of force. Tried it with and without the T9 in case tightening the screw was causing binding and it didn't make any difference.

 

[cr5]

EXACTLY

Also CSC posted in another thread a bit ago that they have had no issues installing any parts that they have tried. Since 9/10 people who have posted about their receiver have said they are having issues I call BS

I tried a mil-spec safety from a Stag lpk and one from a TNA lpk as well as an Elftmann push button safety and none would work without a lot of force. Tried it with and without the T9 in case tightening the screw was causing binding and it didn't make any difference.

They posted this a little earlier today

The T9 is not really needed to hold the trigger pack in place, as the safety does that. Also, if you over tighten the T9 screw it can make the safety too stiff to operate.
We have not found any parts that would not install on the receiver. We used DPMS LPK and dust cover assemblies, Geissele triggers, and ADM hanguards.
There was an interference problem with the bolt catch that caused it to not hold open on the last shot. We identified the fix here: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1641027-Maccabee-Defense-SLR-Info-site
Follow on receivers seem to have been altered to avoid this issue (look for a small bevel on the upper receiver rail just above where the bolt catch would sit)

Has anyone assembled one and not found things to be out of tolerance? Just wondering if they're all like this or if it's just a few.

 

[Shooting Centre]

EXACTLY

Also CSC posted in another thread a bit ago that they have had no issues installing any parts that they have tried. Since 9/10 people who have posted about their receiver have said they are having issues I call BS

I tried a mil-spec safety from a Stag lpk and one from a TNA lpk as well as an Elftmann push button safety and none would work without a lot of force. Tried it with and without the T9 in case tightening the screw was causing binding and it didn't make any difference.

OK, since you decided to suggest we were lying, I guess it is fair to ask you to prove your 9/10 comment.
Look, as with all manufactured items, there may be tolerance issues with a small portion. You may have one of these. Rather than ranting and raving, calling others liars, and bad mouthing a company and all of its products, perhaps you could just as easily address the issue with the manufacturer.

 

[HotSoup]

I had extreme difficulty installing the roll pin for the bolt catch. MACDEF suggested I DRILL the holes widers.

I slowly sanded down the pin instead.

We will see how the selector goes in.

The machining work is rough on some edges of the sides. Anodizing is pretty junk. My friend's has the infamous terrible hang marks inside the magwell.

Not a quality product. Very amateur work imo.

Hopefully the final product is worth the price once I've worked through its kinks.

 

[Bartok5]

Yikes! Best of luck to all affected in getting the manufacturer to sort out your problems.
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[Shooting Centre]

Ya! keep it quiet! We don't want to lose any sales, Lol, just kidding

I hope everyone that gets one that is out of spec contacts the manufacturer. It's the only way they can fix the problem for you and for future customers.

If you need a replacement I wonder if you get the next one to ship out at the expense of whoever was going to be the next delivery or if you will have to wait till they fill orders and can get on to making some to replace the bad ones.

Well, we made the first comments concerning the bolt catch almost a month ago: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1641027-Maccabee-Defense-SLR-Info-site
We also contacted MDI, told them about the issue and they fixed it.
These are pretty small issues. And for all the ATRS fan boys here, we have had similar and more serious issues with their products too. We didn't feel the need to call them names or denigrate their products or pricing. We simply dealt with them and they resolved the problems. The WK-180C seems to be getting lots of problems popping up lately too. Again, folks seem to be able to allow some leeway for the manufacturer to deal with them rather than simply declaring the platform a flop.

As for the question about replacement times, there was a fellow posting who broke his receiver installing the roll pin. MDI replaced it in a week or so.

 

[cr5]

Well, we made the first comments concerning the bolt catch almost a month ago: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1641027-Maccabee-Defense-SLR-Info-site
We also contacted MDI, told them about the issue and they fixed it.
These are pretty small issues. And for all the ATRS fan boys here, we have had similar and more serious issues with their products too. We didn't feel the need to call them names or denigrate their products or pricing. We simply dealt with them and they resolved the problems. The WK-180C seems to be getting lots of problems popping up lately too. Again, folks seem to be able to allow some leeway for the manufacturer to deal with them rather than simply declaring the platform a flop.

As for the question about replacement times, there was a fellow posting who broke his receiver installing the roll pin. MDI replaced it in a week or so.

So, if this was known about a month ago or maybe more then why are they showing up in people's mail boxes with the same problems?

Why would anyone take their ATRS rifle to you for repairs when ATRS is just a little ways away and will fix any issue for free if you drop off the rifle to them?
I don't consider myself a fanboy but I do like and own their products which I am very happy with so far and from all the Modern Hunters I've seen or heard about with issues, most were operator error and those that were not ATRS will drop everything they are doing for a customer to fix a rifle if you take it to them. My MH in 6.5CM was scratching the case necks deeply when I got it due to very sharp edges on the inside of the barrel extension of the Proof Research barrel which as a handloader does not work for me. I took my rifle in and told them what it was doing (on a Monday morning I believe) and they pulled the barrel, smooted out the edges and had it ready for me to pick up by 3pm the same day. Can't argue with that kind of service.

Haven't read about the 180 problems other than someone being paranoid about the nylon block melting under hard use. I haven't been following the threads in the Wolverine section though so I may have missed some stuff.

 

[rambones]

everyone makes mistakes.

Anodizing is tricky, especially getting the thickness right consistently. Will probably take more trial and error to get the tolerances adjusted at the machining stage.

They will become PROS eventually and sort out their manufacturing issues. I admire how they are trying to do a good anodize. Its totally out of their control, and even if they do everything right, if the anodize is crap in any way they will pay for it. Sucks. They seem to have a lot of space and capital, perhaps bring Hard coat anodize in house.

That being said, it takes a few seconds to check a pin hole size with a gage pin after anodize.

If its too tight they should be running a reamer to fix the issue at factory.

Sucks to have to check all these things, but saves embarrassment and potential issues replacing broken receivers.

I wish them luck.

 

[Shooting Centre]

So, if this was known about a month ago or maybe more then why are they showing up in people's mail boxes with the same problems?

Why would anyone take their ATRS rifle to you for repairs when ATRS is just a little ways away and will fix any issue for free if you drop off the rifle to them?
I don't consider myself a fanboy but I do like and own their products which I am very happy with so far and from all the Modern Hunters I've seen or heard about with issues, most were operator error and those that were not ATRS will drop everything they are doing for a customer to fix a rifle if you take it to them. My MH in 6.5CM was scratching the case necks deeply when I got it due to very sharp edges on the inside of the barrel extension of the Proof Research barrel which as a handloader does not work for me. I took my rifle in and told them what it was doing (on a Monday morning I believe) and they pulled the barrel, smooted out the edges and had it ready for me to pick up by 3pm the same day. Can't argue with that kind of service.

Haven't read about the 180 problems other than someone being paranoid about the nylon block melting under hard use. I haven't been following the threads in the Wolverine section though so I may have missed some stuff.

This is not a thread about ATRS. The people that bring the ATRS rifles to us do so for various reasons, and if they are CGN members I am sure they can start their own rant threads. We have also used ATRS rifles on our range in the past and sold their products here, so we do indeed have some familiarity with them. I have never suggested their service was other than excellent, only that they do not have a 100% track record on perfection of product, which some here seem to think MDI should have.

 

[scourge18a]

Ya, I may still contact MacDef about my POS but I may just fix the tolerance issues myself. It's not hard for me to open something up a few thou but then I'm back to raw aluminum again. The thing looks like crap so it might just as well get a coat of paint after I'm done getting everything fitting the way it's supposed to

I have a 180-C arriving tomorrow according to tracking. That was supposed to be my beater gun. Not the SLR

Driller, congrats on your 108-C working out. I suspect mine will too.

I dont want to be the one to point it out but I find it funny that you were the guy saying on the Sporter thread that it's no big deal to have to do modifications on a build or have to cut off rotation tabs off a $400 handguard. Would that not take it down to bare aluminium?

Aug 19...
"The point I was making is that this handguard fitment "issue" is trivial.

This whole thing is a non-issue.

I'm looking forward to building my MS rifles, file needed or not."


Yes the anodizing of all things should be right and I would expect them to make it right, and who knows, if you actually spoke to them they might do just that. But making a huge deal about tight holes after saying almost the opposite on the Sporter thread is interesting to me....especially when you seem to be opposed to speaking to the manufacturer and are choosing to instead bash them on a public forum.
But hey, what do I know....



Yes I had some issues too but also tried to give unbiased and hopefully helpful information to others considering the SLR or those waiting on them.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1760791-SLR-tips-tricks-and-observations

 

[Robmcleod82]

I built two SLRs yesterday and had no issues, other than they hyperfire trigger not being compatible which i dont really see as a big issue. One thing Ive noticed with ar parts is they are not exactly the same. The Mac def receivers are on the tight end of spec, if you get parts that are on the larger size of spec (in the tollerance window) you could have issues. I had two different styles of spring pins in two different kits on was a standard split spring pin the other style was the spirol type. The spirol style pin was quite tight going in the standard split style ones went in nicely. I had no issues with safeties, and tried several different styles all worked as they should. The annodizing on the ones I received matched the annodizing on my samson handguard, more of a flat style. The big thing I was happy to see was the barrel extension fit was nice and tight (unlike nea/bcl). This is not a mil spec ar15. Most mechanical devices are not plug and play and sometimes fitting of parts is required.

 

[jiffx2781]

OK, since you decided to suggest we were lying, I guess it is fair to ask you to prove your 9/10 comment.
Look, as with all manufactured items, there may be tolerance issues with a small portion. You may have one of these. Rather than ranting and raving, calling others liars, and bad mouthing a company and all of its products, perhaps you could just as easily address the issue with the manufacturer.

I have posted many favourable comments about products I own if they are worthy of favourable comments.

However the thing about posting in an open forum is that I am free to voice my dissatisfaction with a product I receive that is less than satisfactory. I will tell it how it is if I see fit.

I'm not going through all the threads and posting everyone who has had an issue. Some have been happy with the product and I'm happy for them if they did get a sample without any of the issues I found with mine. But if you follow the threads it's not hard to see a large number of people with these sets in hand have at least reported tolerance issues.

The bolt catch issue you refer to has been addressed on my set however that is not the issue almost everyone with one of these is reporting. The problem is the pin whole size.

I see no reason to turn this into a personal issue between you and I. It is what it is.

I'll contact MacDef and let them know of the issues I have found with the receiver set I received from them.

 

[Shooting Centre]

I have posted many favourable comments about products I own if they are worthy of favourable comments.

However the thing about posting in an open forum is that I am free to voice my dissatisfaction with a product I receive that is less than satisfactory. I will tell it how it is if I see fit.

I'm not going through all the threads and posting everyone who has had an issue. Some have been happy with the product and I'm happy for them if they did get a sample without any of the issues I found with mine. But if you follow the threads it's not hard to see a large number of people with these sets in hand have at least reported tolerance issues.

The bolt catch issue you refer to has been addressed on my set however that is not the issue almost everyone with one of these is reporting. The problem is the pin whole size.

I see no reason to turn this into a personal issue between you and I. It is what it is.

I'll contact MacDef and let them know of the issues I have found with the receiver set I received from them.

Nobody has suggested you don't have the right to post your observations. However you took the time to suggest our post was BS. To make such a claim on this site, one would expect a little more evidence. You decided to make it a personal attack not us.

With respect to tight holes (there is a joke in there somewhere), it is fair to keep in mind that AR part tolerances vary considerably. MDI felt that keeping on the tight side would make the product better. Obviously that is not always the case. However, having tolerances too loose and pins backing out is a worse condition. Hopefully they find a happy medium and quickly.

 

[Armedsask]

These fitment issues sound like they could possibly be linked back to the bad anodizing. With the SLR recievers already on the tight end of the tolerance window, leaving the recievers in the etching bath too long or too thick of anodizing could put the holes out of spec.

As I've always suggested in these types of threads, contact the manufacturer or retailer for a solution.

Complaining about not having the proper wrench on hand is rather rediculous, in my opinion. Makes me think you were just looking for problems.