ATTENTION NFA!!! Troy Commemorative XM177E2 PROHIBITED!!
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How would I file for said Hearing? I have zero experience with the Canadian legal system or the courts aside from my involvement as a representative plaintiff in a recent class-action Veterans' lawsuit. I would require guidance. Aside from that, I many be willing if there is no particular down-side to doing so. I am just leery of unintended consequences. If it goes badly, I don't want to be "that guy" who got the AR banned...
b-wingpilot
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Good on you for calling, but I feel your pain. There is no reasoning with them. At all. But, if you are clever they can be backed into a corner a bit. I would have asked how far away could that faux sear hole be engraved from the actual location. 0.01”? 0.1”? 1.0”? And how they would measure the displaced location. What tolerance do they allow, etc. If you have them on record as indicating a distance that is less than the distance Troy used to engrave their faux auto sear hole, then you kinda backed them into a corner in reversing their decision.
That said, if you file for a reference hearing, and it goes to court, they will convert one to full automatic, and most likely won’t be 100% truthful in the amount of time it took them nor the tools they used. They may even convert a standard AR-15 to full automatic as a reference. And they would have zero problem determining all AR-15s as prohibited. The RCMP lab has nothing to lose, and only to gain from this. This isn’t what you want to hear, but it is the sad truth.
That said, if you file for a reference hearing, and it goes to court, they will convert one to full automatic, and most likely won’t be 100% truthful in the amount of time it took them nor the tools they used. They may even convert a standard AR-15 to full automatic as a reference. And they would have zero problem determining all AR-15s as prohibited. The RCMP lab has nothing to lose, and only to gain from this. This isn’t what you want to hear, but it is the sad truth.
Mark,
i believe a group of swiss Arms owners were able to obtain an injunction halting seizure of their firearms pending the outcome of a court hearing. The court hearing was mooted by the conservatives changing the law.
Ed Burlew and / or Solomon Friedman were the lawyers.
Filing a for a reference hearing is as simple as going down to the court house and filling out a couple of forms. these get filed by the clerk and a court date is set. I am pretty sure there's no cost to you to file the paperwork. What you will need is something in writing from the RCMP advising of the change in status of your firearm which will form the basis of your request for a hearing.
i believe a group of swiss Arms owners were able to obtain an injunction halting seizure of their firearms pending the outcome of a court hearing. The court hearing was mooted by the conservatives changing the law.
Ed Burlew and / or Solomon Friedman were the lawyers.
Filing a for a reference hearing is as simple as going down to the court house and filling out a couple of forms. these get filed by the clerk and a court date is set. I am pretty sure there's no cost to you to file the paperwork. What you will need is something in writing from the RCMP advising of the change in status of your firearm which will form the basis of your request for a hearing.
Aye that's the spirit! I do also side with the 'let sleeping dogs lie' sentiment expressed by Bartok and Bwing. I'd be a little more brash if we weren't under already under the gun. At least that CBC article quoting the Toronto chief of police denouncing the handgun ban was uplifting.
Not sure what your point is? Please elaborate for us slow kids....
Etter and Smith. Both ex Canadian Forces types. Never police officers, now taking it out on gun owners. Ludicrous does not describe the "reasoning" behind this determination.
And just like any bully, Etter and Smith rely on the fact the everyday Canadian gun owner does not have the resources to request a reference hearing.
Bully abuse of authority.
And just like any bully, Etter and Smith rely on the fact the everyday Canadian gun owner does not have the resources to request a reference hearing.
Bully abuse of authority.
maple_leaf_eh
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Well not exactly. The labs have been able to prevent disclosure of their methods in the past by saying essentially, 'if we showed you what we did, then everyone would go out and do the same thing.' It has been their most effective defence.
I just transferred mine back to Rampart, I did ask the CFC clerk what the current classification was and she said it still showed Restricted. This whole business has me baffled and quite miffed. I am tapping out and using the money to buy some non restricted from the secondary market. I am not giving this Govt. any more tax money. As far as I am concerned the RCMP firearms program is a corrupt organization.
The choice is mine, I will likely be sending the whole gun back but will attempt a trade for a single item in the EE for the entire parts kit, I am looking for something very specific so I doubt it will go through, sad part is I never fired the Troy and stored it in a silicone gun sock...it is totally brand new. I suspect Rampart will sell the uppers, they are cutting the lowers and sending to the RCMP.
Rampart International offered me a very generous $350 for just the stripped lower, or a full refund of $1599 (IIIRC) for the entire rifle. Both options come with the equally generous $250 store credit. Keeping everything but the Lower did cross my mind, as I went to a bit of trouble to source the correct lightweight 11.5" Barrel Assembly for the proper XM177E2 length. That said, I'd have to get the replacement Lower CeraKoted Grey to match the Troy Upper, and even then I'd just be pissed off every time I looked at the "mongrel" as a reminder of the RCMP's petty, bullying tactics. So I have elected to give the whole works back to to Rampart. If what Sparrow says is true, someone will get a really nice XM177E2 Upper or complete clone if Rampart goes that route to sell off what is left of the returned Commemoratives. In addition to the Barrel I replaced the Ejection Port Door with the correct early pattern and replaced the Front Sling Swivel Rivet with a Roll-Pin as was correct for the XM177E2 initial issue. It is just no longer for me. I have already purchased a nice, used Colt SP1 Carbine off of the EE which will become a GAU-5 clone in due course when the Spikes 11.5 CHF Lightweight Barrel that I just ordered is delivered by my favorite 3rd Party Importer. The rebarrelled Colt Carbine will actually make for a more correct GAU-5 clone than a Troy upper with another manufacturer's Lower, so it is a worthwhile project over the long run...
It would seem that the petty bullies at the Lab will win this round by picking on just the 4 of us who happen to own the Troy Commemorative Carbines. Let's see who is next - hopefully a larger group with the wherewithal to fight back through a Firearms Reference Hearing. Me, I am simply too tired of playing legal games having just spent the past 7 years embroiled in an ultimately unsuccessful class-action lawsuit regarding Veteran's rights. Someone else will have to carry this particular torch with me in a supporting role this time around.
It would seem that the petty bullies at the Lab will win this round by picking on just the 4 of us who happen to own the Troy Commemorative Carbines. Let's see who is next - hopefully a larger group with the wherewithal to fight back through a Firearms Reference Hearing. Me, I am simply too tired of playing legal games having just spent the past 7 years embroiled in an ultimately unsuccessful class-action lawsuit regarding Veteran's rights. Someone else will have to carry this particular torch with me in a supporting role this time around.
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This would have been a good one for one of the organizations to challenge. Were any approached? Seems to be right up the NFA's alley. While the NFA does not have an official presence on CGN, at least three senior members of the executive have personal accounts.
How about editing the title of this thread to include a large, bold ATTENTION NFA?
How about editing the title of this thread to include a large, bold ATTENTION NFA?
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