Native led "ban" on moose hunting in BC expanded...

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1899 said:
I believe the government has grossly mismanaged the moose population in BC. Is unregulated and unchecked harvest 24/7, 365 days a year part of the problem? Absolutely, but there is much more to it than that.
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That's the problem, no native community in Canada has ever admitted to over-harvesting. It's always licensed hunters or big corporations destroying habitat that are the cause. We have areas in Manitoba that have been closed to licensed moose hunting since the mid 70's, and the population has not rebounded one bit. And no, there's no industry in these areas of any sort. So who's left to blame? You guessed it, wolves, because they don't play the race card.
 
45ACPKING- the debate is not whether there were wrongs committed. It’s not about blame. It’s about how we go about living in this country as Canadians.
 
bearkilr said:
That's the problem, no native community in Canada has ever admitted to over-harvesting. It's always licensed hunters or big corporations destroying habitat that are the cause. We have areas in Manitoba that have been closed to licensed moose hunting since the mid 70's, and the population has not rebounded one bit. And no, there's no industry in these areas of any sort. So who's left to blame? You guessed it, wolves, because they don't play the race card.
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Ticks and an abundance of old growth rather than the ideal food / cover resulting from proper tree harvesting have probably also played a part in the decline.

Having said that, native over harvesting does occur. The slaughter of caribou in Northern MB was so bad the FN affected were pizzed at their neighbouring FN from SK responsible for the carnage.

https ://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/manitoba-dene-call-for-limit-on-caribou-hunting-371944391.html
 
People here speak with zero knowledge of the choices that an aboriginal person is born into and the system the government mandates them to be raised in.
45ACPKING for all the misinformation and outright lies you post on here this is the most laughable. People are here from everywhere, and every circumstance, not for you to decide on the validity of an opinion if it doesnt match yours. The system the government mandates them to be raised in? Choices? Natives have literally the most choice out of any segment of society in Canada. If you don't make the right ones that's on you, not me, not the government, not anyone else on here.
 
Definetly heard both sides.
There's good people from one and the other side.

Simple analogy.

2 neighbours. Fence down the middle of the property line.
Sometimes, a rogue tree threatening either side of the fence grows out of control.

One or the other neighbour can blame the other and demand the rogue tree to be trimmed, cut down, the problem fixed, ETC.

Or, you can tear down the Fence, the barrier, work together, solve the problem, trim the tree to mutual benefit, and if need be, re-erect the fence. But at the end of the day, mutual cooperation fixed the problem, fences or not.

Pipe dream? Some might say.
Am I a quack? I don't think so.

But growing up old school, a firm handshake and agreement used to go much farther than a document reviewed and overseen by a lawyer. Word was bond. Honour was law.

Since the 2015 election, reconciliation has been a major topic.
I feel however, that its alienated people more than brought them together.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a time where when a fight broke out, it was one on one, and regardless of the winner or loser, it ended up with a beer at the counter afterwards, trading techniques, strategies and ultimately learnings.

Winner or loser in the battle, both sides benefited from the war.

Maybe it's time to look past what's hip, advertised and reported on the CBC and other like minded institutions.

Maybe it's just time to shake hands and work towards mutual benefit, towards a common cause. In this case, maintaining and possibly growing what we love and brings all of us on here together: the passion for hunting and a love of wildlife.

Just my two cents. At the end of the day, no matter how you slice it, our passports say "Canadian".

I would just like to see my babies enjoy my passion as much as I was able too. That's all really.
 
FGR said:
People here speak with zero knowledge of the choices that an aboriginal person is born into and the system the government mandates them to be raised in.
45ACPKING for all the misinformation and outright lies you post on here this is the most laughable. People are here from everywhere, and every circumstance, not for you to decide on the validity of an opinion if it doesnt match yours. The system the government mandates them to be raised in? Choices? Natives have literally the most choice out of any segment of society in Canada. If you don't make the right ones that's on you, not me, not the government, not anyone else on here.
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what are you even talking about?
I have zero complaints about my choices, they are the same as anyone elses. My "aboriginal status" is pretty much meaningless in BC LOL I have a good life.... not many complaints from my seat except I hate Liberals

please feel free to quote my "lies" and please feel free to follow that with what you feel is the truth..... I'm curious to know what lies and misinformation you are referring to.

anyhow.......
I don't side with chief alfonse and his continuing effort to lord over the land in region 5 and believe in fair access for resident hunters where animal numbers permit.
I do find it funny that folks can pretty much say what they want and bash natives but when someone stands up to that even a little bit.... they get labelled a misinformer and a liar.... that's real rich.

and I love how some folks in this thread have editted out thier comments LOL
 
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scout_289 said:
Ticks and an abundance of old growth rather than the ideal food / cover resulting from proper tree harvesting have probably also played a part in the decline.

Having said that, native over harvesting does occur. The slaughter of caribou in Northern MB was so bad the FN affected were pizzed at their neighbouring FN from SK responsible for the carnage.

https ://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/manitoba-dene-call-for-limit-on-caribou-hunting-371944391.html
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No moose ticks in the areas I'm speaking of and there's plenty of ideal habitat and an abundant food source. White poplar and willow don't get "harvested".
The northern FN always play the caribou blame game. One year the MB FN fly into SK and shoot up hundreds, next year the SK FN come into MB. That news article doesn't hold much water for me, I know the inside story.

And here's what I was talking about. Read this clip from the article.
This year’s alarming hunt comes at a time when game, including caribou, which traditionally sustained northern First Nations, is under more stress than anytime in the past. The twin pressures of climate change and industrial development are issues on which First Nations are actively lobbying governments, and in the meantime, they have to save the herds if they can, Nepinak said.

There is no industrial development up there. It's tundra.

We need to make this about conservation of the animals, not a blame game. If the numbers of any given species are so low that it's in danger of disappearing from that area, then the hunt needs to be closed for everyone. The problem is that with many treaties, if the area is closed, it can only be reopened with first nations consent, which is the reason many provincial governments are reluctant to close an area for all. I'm not sure if this is the case in BC however, but it is in the prairie provinces, different treaties.
 
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So basically what needs to happen if we want all people of Canada to be equal is the Canadian government needs to formally declare war against these independent nations, seize all lands within their claimed territories and only accept unconditional surrender of their government and it's people....is this correct?
 
It's already that way in many WMUs in Ontario now though the government won't admit it.
The number of adult moose tags issued in the regular draw is in the low double digits in WMUs with thousands of applicants.
Many outfitters that have been in the business for years don't get camp tags any more.
The Ontario government of course won't fess up because they still want our money.
Those who don't have treaty cards get ready to mothball your moose rifles.
 
45ACPKING said:
and i said..... vote for change
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IMO that is too simplistic and not enough. There is no debate about how to actually move forward. The reason for that is the regressive left’s complete domination of the dialogue. This starts in elementary school, goes through university and permeates every aspect of life thereafter. Any kind of opposition is met with cries of “racist, bigot, fascist” etc. If you speak out publicly you run the risk of your life being ruined via social media.

This leads to extremism because only extremists speak up. And that means the more moderate, middle of the road people (the majority) are left with no voice/representation. The election of Trump is a good example of people voting for someone because they are desperate for change.
 
win94luver said:
It's already that way in many WMUs in Ontario now though the government won't admit it.
The number of adult moose tags issued in the regular draw is in the low double digits in WMUs with thousands of applicants.
Many outfitters that have been in the business for years don't get camp tags any more.
The Ontario government of course won't fess up because they still want our money.
Those who don't have treaty cards get ready to mothball your moose rifles.
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I will continue to use my rights as a Canadien (since 1624) no matter what!
 
1899 said:
IMO that is too simplistic and not enough. There is no debate about how to actually move forward. The reason for that is the regressive left’s complete domination of the dialogue. This starts in elementary school, goes through university and permeates every aspect of life thereafter. Any kind of opposition is met with cries of “racist, bigot, fascist” etc. If you speak out publicly you run the risk of your life being ruined via social media.

This leads to extremism because only extremists speak up. And that means the more moderate, middle of the road people (the majority) are left with no voice/representation. The election of Trump is a good example of people voting for someone because they are desperate for change.
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Exactly, the other thing Trump showed everyone is that despite being on life support, democracy was still able to defeat what had become a system where both of the main parties were bought and paid for.

The reconciliation process that happened a few years back under Harper was supposed to be an opportunity to bury hatchets, release the pain, acknowledge the past and then...... Move On!

The "progressive" types have decided that reconciliation should be the start of a generation or two of victim worship and shaming of the "settlers", sprinkled with more and more financial and resource compensation, and a furthering of the divide.

Why stand on your own 2 feet when you can become a professional, state endorsed victim and simply put your hand out?

I don't blame the natives for exploiting the current climate, but it's not the best approach if they are interested in moving past the pain and hatred.
 
leveractionjunkie said:
Essentially the Canada or your youth is a victim of political correctness, apathy, and changing demographics. Unfortunately it is most likely gone forever.
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I heard a great second hand quote from Bill Whittle the other day,

Bad Times Make Strong Men
Strong Men Make Good Times
Good Times Make Weak Men
Weak Men Make Bad Times


It's all part of a cycle that successful empires and society's go through. Modern freedom of mass communication might help us avoid the next bad times..... but there is a current attempt being made to shut down or limit and control the free and independent internet.
 
Can-down said:
I heard a second hand quote from Bill Whittle the other day,

Bad Times Make Strong Men
Strong Men Make Good Times
Good Times Make Weak Men
Weak Men Make Bad Times


It's all a cycle and a product of the good life.
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Pretty much sums up human history from my uneducated perspective. I’ll have to save that quote.
 
Can-down said:
I heard a great second hand quote from Bill Whittle the other day,

Bad Times Make Strong Men
Strong Men Make Good Times
Good Times Make Weak Men
Weak Men Make Bad Times


It's all part of a cycle that successful empires and society's go through. Modern freedom of mass communication might help us avoid the next bad times..... but there is a current attempt being made to shut down or limit and control the free and independent internet.
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Good quote !

Can't wait for the weak men to go away...
 
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