I get the feeling that Noris is ok but Hawkes, not so much
NR for dangerous game in Ontario
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I get the feeling that Noris is ok but Hawkes, not so much
Thanks, I wasn't aaware that a 44 Magnum would literally bounce off a black bear! Good to know.
Here are the 100 yard and 200 yard Optimum Game Weights for our cartridges and loads. (Caliber, bullet weight in grains at MV - OGW at 100 yards, OGW at 200 yards.)
.30-30, 150 at 2390 - 259 lbs. at 100 yds., 140 lbs. at 200 yds..
35 Rem., 200 at 2080 - 294 lbs. at 100 yds., 156 lbs. at 200 yds..
357 Mag., 158 at 1830 - 110 lbs. at 100 yds., 56 lbs. at 200 yds..
44 Mag., 240 at 1760 - 227 lbs. at 100 yds, 119 lbs. at 200 yds.
As can be seen, the true rifle cartridges bring substantially more game killing power to the table.
- Location
- NFA country
Was that bear wearing a blue costume with a red "S" on the front?
My 44 mag hand loads deliver a 305 grain hard cast lead bullet with a muzzle energy of over 1700 ft-lbs.
Who's actually dumb enough to think that will bounce off a black bear?
I get the feeling that some posters have never fired a gun in their lives judging by the inane comments they make.
City folk that have never seen a bear in the woods. I have lived most of my life in the country and the only time that I am a little nervous in the woods is in the early spring when the bears are up, hungry and there isn't much food to be had yet. If it were possible, a short barreled magnum revolver would be my first choice because it is easier to carry, but, a shorty 12 gauge is hard to beat. Especially loaded with alternating heavy buckshot and slugs.
canadaman30
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Far from the City
Short 18.5" semi auto 308 with iron sights.
- Location
- Behind a large rock
Lmfao. Mmmmmm kayyy
nailed it!
The poorly informed might think that the greater weight of the .44 Magnum bullet would compensate in some measure for its lack of energy by providing deeper penetration than the lighter .30 and .35 caliber rifle bullets. Unfortunately, this is not the case. It is sectional density (SD), the ratio of a bullet's weight to its diameter, that determines how deep it penetrates (all other factors--like bullet construction--being equal, of course). Here are the SD's of the bullets we are comparing (the higher the number the better).
30-30 Win., 150 grain - SD .226.
35 Rem., 200 grain - SD .223.
357 Mag., 158 grain - SD .177.
44 Mag., 240 grain - SD .185
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
Ye got that one right fer sure.
Most folks have no idea the killing power a well placed, 300+ gr 44 boolit provides at moderate velocities. Many big critters have been dumped with a load of 21.5 gr of 296 under a 320 gr JDJ style boolit at 1400 fps from 6" barreled revolvers. We're talking cape buffalo & hippo along with brown bear and moose. Penetration on these beasties was not an issue with the experienced hunters using them.
Dis boolit be a tad heftier, but still based on JDJ's original design.Too many folks overthink the bear encounter thing & ignore the basics of shot placement at sensible ranges for a given load. I had to clean the bear poop of me
shoe this morning after me daily 5k trail walk with the pooch & all I carry is a bamboo cane.(It ain't fer bears, but works perfect fer unleashed mutts on the trail.)
Never had any problems with the buggers as I'm always bear aware in my zone, especially when workin the blackberry patches.
I've worked in black bear filled areas & live in 'em still. Biggest problem I see with bears is the ignorant humanoids that leave garbage out at night or toss food
scraps out along trails and pathways in rural areas. The dumbest fooks are the idiots that actually feed bears cause they think they're cute. Bad idea.
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Ye got that one right fer sure.
Agreed! pistol ammo from a pistol not from a rifle. A considerable number of rifles chambered for pistol cartridges are in the field. Most of these are used for hunting deer or feral hogs in brushy or wooded country, where shots are likely to be fairly close range. The only advantage the big bore handgun cartridges have is the greater diameter of their bullets. Most savy shooters realize that true rifle cartridges are ballistically superior to revolver cartridges fired in rifles.
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Others have said it, your best bet is a manually operated shotgun. No magazine restrictions and obviously your only tube restriction is the laws of physics. Easy to operate, even under stress. You can pack a mix of shells. A friend who lives up north uses birdshot-buckshot-slugs. First to make noise, second to hurt if it's not scared away and third to kill as a last resort.
rifleman762
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Alberta
And a 12 gauge slug is even worse!
12 gauge, 1oz or 438gr - SD .118
Edit: that's the same as an 80gr .308 bullet. Tokarev level. Or a 105gr 9mm Luger bullet - pretty light considering most 9mm is 115gr and up.
Okay, so if there is a 300 lb deer at 100 yards, 30-30 is too small, need a 35 Rem. Got it!
I have a bear in my barn as we speak helping himself to one of the 500 Ib. grain barrels he has tipped over. Now I could sneak down there with the 44mag Ruger carbine with a flash light taped to the barrel, but it would be my luck I would miss and put a hole in the boat or the camper van. So I have chosen to let him eat his fill, get indigestion and perhaps he will tire of the whole thing and climb into his den for the next 4-5 months. We just had 10" of snow last night and it's cold so maybe he is getting his jammies on also as we speak.
Like I said in an earlier post the most dangerous creature in a northern Ontario bush is yourself and the dumb mistakes and decisions you will make to put yourself in danger and harms way.
Like I said in an earlier post the most dangerous creature in a northern Ontario bush is yourself and the dumb mistakes and decisions you will make to put yourself in danger and harms way.
yes...to bad pistols are banned to a range only and not as a close range hunting device (the two.large ones i have collect a lot of closet time) and Some ARs are only range paper punch (the Wilson 458 Ham'r would be the BEST for bush and hunt and no game would be safe).
something like that yes....most new updated Lyman/Hornady book has this info....
