Heckler & Koch 417

[Redeye]

That's bizarre, since Heckler & Koch is a British company (BAe Systems) - but I guess since it has operations primarily in Germany that comes into play.

There are German Federal non-proliferation laws that restrict HK from marketing firearms of a non-sporting use to the general public. This is beyond HK's control, as a market driven firm they would be more than happy to capitalize on the opportunity. Too many African cesspits and their child militias are armed with G3's, G41's, HK33's, seeing this Berlin tightly monitors and regulates any of HK's sales. So don't be hatin' on HK even despite their inflated prices.

 

[koalorka]

Your information is out of date. HK is back under German ownership.

That's bizarre, since Heckler & Koch is a British company (BAe Systems) - but I guess since it has operations primarily in Germany that comes into play.

 

[Redeye]

Your information is out of date. HK is back under German ownership.

I stand corrected!

 

[USP]

Arent the Bushmaster ones that havent been tested to any degree?

Not really sure, just going by what ive seen Bushmaster make in the past. However if they are being made by POF for Bushmaster..I have no real opinion on them. Still do you need a piston if its not a shorty?

 

[Gao]

they lost . screw them

the SCAR won, and the XCR is better than the SCAR.

both the SCAR and XCR will be/are available to us.

so either get an XCR or SCAR

Any real proof on the SCAR? (preferably the SCAR-H)

 

[mildot]

LWRC is getting good reports in the US. I'm sure that Questar could get them with some "elbow grease". They have a .308 variant.
http://www.lwrifles.com/

 

[cancer]

Any real proof on the SCAR? (preferably the SCAR-H)

No, it's seriously all smoke right now.

 

[KevinB]

417 was not part of SCAR testing -- it and the 416 where kept out due to an agreement to stave off a lawsuit with Colt

 

[TheCanuck]

Kev, do you know what the lawsuit was about?

 

[koalorka]

Kev, do you know what the lawsuit was about?

HK providing a superior product to the national competitor.. Those damn arrogant Germans.

 

[KevinB]

Hk had called their 5.56mm M4 piston variant the M4C and M4D intially. As well as some other stuff -- Hk thinking (lol that's a joke) they had the XM-8 as a slam dunk - agreed not to enter their Piston M4 series guns into SCAR and to change the name and some other stuff.

XM-8 comes out as the aborted POS that it was and then it gets really ugly and everyone who knows all is stuck behind NDA's
- Hk sent their gun to ARMS to make a freefloat rail (before they had their rail) - #### Swan is "rumoured" to have let Colt see it - and Colts M5 piston got a remake soon after - and Hk severed ties with ARMS and went their own way and then re-introduced the Hk416 and 417 to the US Mil --
The USMC MARSOC Det-1 trialed the 417 (and some PGW guns).
My leak in Det-1 jumped to civy contracting so no idea what happened after that.
AWG has the 416 as do sub entities
AFAIK the 417 has not been issued, or bought in any number beyond trial.

 

[TheCanuck]

Thanks for the explanation
Do you know what happened with the PGW guns?

 

[KevinB]

Not sure -- I heard a rumour they fostered the side folder Timberwolf -- so I'd guess they bought a bunch -- I doubt Steve or Ross can comment though -- all these shady buggers dont like their product history out on the net. Like people in Canada -- if you devuldge they bought from you -- it was your last sale ever...