Arguing with a BC CO in the butcher shop..... hmmmmmm

[KodiakHntr]

Not drinking when he told me what had happened but he may have been at the time of the occurrence, no idea, there were at least 4 witnesses. He was a former cop that had some idea where he stood legally, and he was notorious for a right cross that came out of nowhere and would lights out you pronto.

And the CO displayed excellent judgement in not forcing it any further than he did.

You mention shooting people and the pistol quite prominently.
Not how their job works I don't think.

Assault someone who is doing their job while armed, and it won't go the way you think it will. Your scenario is the equivalent of grabbing a cop and ripping buttons off his shirt to dispute a parking ticket after you parked in a handicap spot without your placard showing. Good luck on finding a Peace Officer who "displays excellent judgement in not forcing it any further".

Sorry, but your buddies story on how that went down smells strongly of bull####, plain and simple.
There are a lot of "tough guys" out there, and they want you to know it so bad that they will tell you how tough they are, you just have to sit there long enough to listen..... And someone who was a former cop, certainly knows better than to sucker punch people. Folks tend to file charges for stuff like that. Get known for doing it, and you are real likely to end up spending time someplace where your meals are brought in on a tray.

Seriously tough individuals that know where they stand legally, and what they can do, generally aren't the guys that like to brag about it.


The major aspect that folks here seem to forget, is that if you show an appropriate level of reaction to any given situation, then cops and CO's will generally do the same.

 

[Outcast]

Not an "herb" user.... "CO finds two deer not tagged as per the law. CO asks who deer belong to. Individual indicates they are his. CO states that as per the law and deer not being tagged as required, they will be seized. Individual physically assaults CO"

What part of that do you find difficult to comprehend? What part of that indicates that immediate violence against an armed Peace Officer is the appropriate course of action?

There is an awfully big gap between "protecting yourself from unlawful arrest" and saying "Yo homey, my paperwork is legit and my card is in the mail. Maybe we should figure this out first before you take the deer"

Lol....

 

[FLHTCUI]

Sooooo if you are being unlawfully arrested, no legal grounds to seize your personal property you have to stand there and take it. I don't think so. You may wish to review the criminal code a bit more. In order for the police to touch you , or take your property they have to be in the legal/lawful execution of their duty. If they do not have grounds to arrest or seize property then they are not in the legal/lawful execution of their duty and you can use as much force as is necessary to protect yourself and your property. Go see post 12 in this thread.

What do you suggest you say to the LEO if you personally feel the imminent arrest is unlawful??
You going to start with "I do not consent" ?
Make sure you post it to you tube and start a go fund me page too, cause your going to need lots of funds.
Best Regards,
Rob

 

[KodiakHntr]

Lol....

Methinks you and I are discussing two different posts.... I'm talking about post 121, not the OP....... Either that, or your reading comprehension is really poor.

 

[Dukester]

Assault someone who is doing their job while armed, and it won't go the way you think it will.

What about somebody who isn't doing their job legally?


Your scenario is the equivalent of grabbing a cop and ripping buttons off his shirt to dispute a parking ticket after you parked in a handicap spot without your placard showing. Good luck on finding a Peace Officer who "displays excellent judgement in not forcing it any further".

Yes a parking ticket is exactly like this !


Sorry, but your buddies story on how that went down smells strongly of bull####, plain and simple.
There are a lot of "tough guys" out there, and they want you to know it so bad that they will tell you how tough they are, you just have to sit there long enough to listen..... And someone who was a former cop, certainly knows better than to sucker punch people. Folks tend to file charges for stuff like that. Get known for doing it, and you are real likely to end up spending time someplace where your meals are brought in on a tray.

A former cop knows exactly when and where to sucker punch, especially back in the day when folks took responsibility for being stupid.



Seriously tough individuals that know where they stand legally, and what they can do, generally aren't the guys that like to brag about it.

Ya like Conner MacGregor !


The major aspect that folks here seem to forget, is that if you show an appropriate level of reaction to any given situation, then cops and CO's will generally do the same.

And so endeth the sermon !

You sure you aren't taking advantage of the new weed laws?

 

[bcsteve]

Sooooo if you are being unlawfully arrested, no legal grounds to seize your personal property you have to stand there and take it. I don't think so. You may wish to review the criminal code a bit more. In order for the police to touch you , or take your property they have to be in the legal/lawful execution of their duty. If they do not have grounds to arrest or seize property then they are not in the legal/lawful execution of their duty and you can use as much force as is necessary to protect yourself and your property. Go see post 12 in this thread.

Roadside is not the time and place to play lawyer. Just because you think he doesn’t have the grounds doesn’t mean he doesn’t. You should know better than that.

 

[Jaylegger]

I stopped reading when the OP negatively judged someone as being a little pissant for being relatively young, wearing clean clothes and treating property entrusted to him with a sense of pride.... full stop. I'd love to hear the other side of this story.

 

[45ACPKING]

Not sure why you quoted my post, but as I pointed out - in BC a Metis does not have the rights to hunting/fishing that the other 'Indigenous' people have.
They are exactly like everyone else. Take a CORE Course, get a FWID, buy Tags, follow the Regs.

I won't speak for 45ACPKING's intentions for this thread, but based on posts of his I have read previously he does not play the 'race card', FWIW.
It seems to me he believes Metis will have full Indigenous rights here at some point, then he will be free to do whatever he likes when he likes...... that's just my take on it.


Back to the original post, I have met a #### fish cop here once but generally the CO's have been good to deal with. They are under staffed and under budgeted and it seems to me most are trying to do a good job.

no, I never play the Metis card , I hunt like the rest of you. I have not even applied for a BC Metis Harvesters card because I really have no use for ducks and geese hunting , let alone being able to do it year round for sustenance.... yuk LOL

this thread was not about being metis, has nothing to do with the encounter. I did post it to watch everyone go into a tizzy so I'm sorry for being a troll. LOL
But what I actually meant was, under the constitution and by treaty , my "right" to hunt and gather and use firearms to do so is protected by S35 and the powley act. This does not mean I can do what I want in BC. BUT and this is a big BUT.... if there comes a day when they try and outlaw hunting , I will absolutely lean on indigenous right and those rights will not be extinguished.
I wish all canadians had those rights, I truly do.... but the politicians folks vote for have delegated those rights down to a privledge. Being Metis, and from the family line of a signing Chief of treaty 6, I will not let those rights be extinguished when the politicians come for our hunting , gathering and tools needed to do so.

I should have left my phone at home LOL day 1 bear hunting. Saw a small one and a sow with this years cub... a cow moose that followed me around for a while which was kinda wierd but neat...... seen some nice mulies today, fat and healthy and safe from me this year LOL

ya'll have fun with this thread and try not to take me so seriously...... go hunting!

 

[45ACPKING]

I stopped reading when the OP negatively judged someone as being a little pissant for being relatively young, wearing clean clothes and treating property entrusted to him with a sense of pride.... full stop. I'd love to hear the other side of this story.

this is the cariboo man..... you treat and talk to the people of your community with respect, you be a good neighbor, you don't wash your truck......... hehehe
He was being a little pissant..... uniform and clean truck be damned. Not spending much time in the field looking for "real" violations if the truck is spotless now is he?

funny how much attention this thread has gathered and some of the awesome telling posts made by some.

ya'll need to get off CGN and go hunting.... get some fresh air..... and not let my ramblings bother you so much LOL

 

[Jaylegger]

ya'll need to get off CGN and go hunting.... get some fresh air..... and not let my ramblings bother you so much LOL

"get some fresh air" is my line and have been using it for years. Grow some funk of your own, Pissant. I must say you have done well to keep this thread relatively civil.

 

[Dukester]

Didn't intend for it to go native rights either, meant to point out that our often convoluted laws can be misconstrued even by law enforcement.
The topic comes up quite often here when the police don't seem to know the laws relating to storage or transportation of firearms. Apparently CO's can as well.

I like my story because 2 old boars squared off, did a little chest bumping but both decided that using their tusks and getting bloody over 2 does wasn't worth it.
They ended up having coffee at my buds place a couple times afterwards and the legalities were settled like gentlemen.
Sorry if it took the thread off track. And no , I don't recommend going hands on with LEO's in almost any circumstance.

 

[smokin'stoegie]

I can't believe this nonsense thread has lasted 9 days, mostly with side-walk lawyers telling everybody how well they know the law and what will happen if a LEO messes with them.
I lost interest when BS'ers just tried to one up everybody with their "tough guy stories" which most likely never occurred that way or even occurred at all.

What I find truly disturbing is that amongst a "supposed" community of law abiding hunters we can turn on each other in a heart beat.
Reading this dog's breakfast from start to finish is sad.

 

[Dukester]

I can't believe this nonsense thread has lasted 9 days, mostly with side-walk lawyers telling everybody how well they know the law and what will happen if a LEO messes with them.
I lost interest when BS'ers just tried to one up everybody with their "tough guy stories" which most likely never occurred that way or even occurred at all.

What I find truly disturbing is that amongst a "supposed" community of law abiding hunters we can turn on each other in a heart beat.
Reading this dog's breakfast from start to finish is sad.

And yes, we can see you are disturbed.

 

[Runningfool]

this is the cariboo man..... you treat and talk to the people of your community with respect, you be a good neighbor, you don't wash your truck.......

Sounds like the community I live in as well except for one extra rule; don’t judge a man by his clothes, age, or truck.

 

[45ACPKING]

I can't believe this nonsense thread has lasted 9 days, mostly with side-walk lawyers telling everybody how well they know the law and what will happen if a LEO messes with them.
I lost interest when BS'ers just tried to one up everybody with their "tough guy stories" which most likely never occurred that way or even occurred at all.

What I find truly disturbing is that amongst a "supposed" community of law abiding hunters we can turn on each other in a heart beat.
Reading this dog's breakfast from start to finish is sad.

I know right?
by and large most folks here thought what happened was offside, considering I was fully legal. And many , who are actually from BC, agreed that they are also experiencing meeting many confused people regarding the new regs.

but there are a small number of folks here that will get thier digs in at me personally, no matter if they agree, disagree.... or even read the thread LOL the funny part is, they have never met me in person and don't know jack sh*t about me personally.
a good percentage of the folks who have expressed disdain for my choice of words or those who insist there is another side to the story.... these are those kinda folks..... the rest are just jumping on that bandwagon.

I also am surprised this thread is still going LOL it tells me that folks here that have time to take shots at me over this thread, obviously don't hunt as much as they pretend on the internet.
I'm sittin in my camper after a long day glassing and hiking and hiking and glassing..... and damn the blueberries in the high country are sure sweet this time of year. Picked about 5 pounds of rose hips today and found lots of big bear piles but didn't see any fur.
perhaps tomorrow.

 

[Gunnutz]

Hey I get it man.. but the hey little pissant, clean uniform, fack off attitude gets pretty old fast too... I've been doing the job for 23 years, if I make a mistake while dealing with someone I'll own it. I have no issue with that, I will also never look for anything extra or dig for stuff on a normal guy just trying to live his life... But the fack you off the bat attitude is kinda lame.

I think the problem is not with guys, like yourself, who will ‘own’ and own up to their errors BUT the #### heads that talk but don’t listen and are NEVER wrong

 

[45ACPKING]

Sounds like the community I live in as well except for one extra rule; don’t judge a man by his clothes, age, or truck.

unless he's running at you yelling and being a fool...... ?

then he'd be judged as a fool, clean clothes, truck and all.
by your handle I'm sure you can understand?



we can let this thread die unless you folks are bored and need more entertainment this season, heck I don't mind, I got thick skin hehehe

 

[Dukester]

we can let this thread die unless you folks are bored and need more entertainment this season, heck I don't mind, I got thick skin hehehe

You may say you have thick skin ! Don't let them rattle you. Your were correct in asserting your rights and it is up to the guy that is there to make the call on the finesse points. Great thread with some valuable leo participation. IMHO