BCL 102 thoughts

Interesting thread I'll say. Was looking at getting one of these through sfrc's iop for retired cf members, would like to hear more about these good or bad before pulling the trigger so to speak. Keep the comments coming;)

BCL 102:

I have one from the 1350 serial number range. A buddy also bought one at the same time. Personally I think we lucked out and got them at the right time. Another friend received his a month before and while almost the same, the BCG had the regular cotter pin style firing pin retainer. Ours had a slightly nicer pin system that won't get mangled. Of the three I've looked over, the finish looked good on them. The ambi features were good and they were nice rifles. Non restricted and the price was right with the IOP. I won't be selling mine. I might change out the barrel and go heavier but that's it. Or maybe heavy 6.5 CM. The negatives are the aluminum material, lack of anodizing (could be soft) and some fit/finish concerns by some. Some have had parts issues as well. Although they seem to be very quick to change things that they find are problems. The firearm does seem to keep getting better. Some will like the Gen 1 better, but I actually like the gen 2 and newer. I haven't shot it yet, so no accuracy etc impressions. The trigger sucks, but I have managed to make it workable with the paracord trick. So I'll see if I can shoot it as close to stock as possible. Plus as I mentioned, if I find the barrel heats up too fast or it's not as accurate as I like, then I will do a barrel change. With the IOP, you have room to change some things. Oh also the stock it comes with is garbage. Bottom line, good features, the price is right, non restricted, I like the looks and you can change it up with AR308 expected results. The real negative is it's hobby grade so specs could be mixed, possibly too soft for the upper/lower receivers.

You can also run into issues finding the right parts for this rifle if you want to change it up. It uses a mix of DPMS AR308 style parts and AR10. I personally like the stock handguard but many will want lighter or different. On the gen 2+ this can cause some issues matching up a decent handguard. Due to the consumer grade of this firearm it will be relegated to a heavier DM style rifle rather than something I would carry. So the stock handguard stays. It's not the lightest, but I like the look with the rifle.

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The Stag 10. These are another level up. They are very nice. Forged 7075 anodized upper/lowers. Very nice. DPMS style AR308 parts compatibility (the most common for aftermarket parts). There have been a few issues with some and the magwell not locking in mags. The fix is apparently a Norgon ambi mag release. Also some have had a very small chip in the anodizing at the bottom of the magwell. I'm building one so it's based off the upper/lower set and not the complete rifle. I wanted 308 and didn't like their barrel choices. Unfortunately my barrel arrived (Criterion 20" 308 1:11.25 twist) but it was the Stainless version and not the Nitride version which I ordered. So back it went and now I'm looking at January. Oh well.

From what I have put together so far and I did have the barrel loosely put in place after getting it. This is going to be a very nice AR308. Price varies depedning on which way you go. But it's reasonable for what you are getting. The build option is fantastic. I bought the upper/lower (note that it's not stripped), Stag 10 BCG, buffer and spring, MI 12" handguard MLok, a generic buffer tube I had in the parts bin, Black B5 sopmod stock from the parts bin and an ergo suregrip I also had as an extra. I ordered the Criterion barrel , SLR nitride adjustable gas block and a nitride rifle length gas tube. Plus I had a Gieselle trigger from a sale a year back. Cost for the Stag 10 parts was Just over $1000 to my door. The rest, adds up and this will no doubt cost more than a full Stag 10 rifle, but I get all the parts I want and I had some already.

Given the choice between a BCL 102 and a Stag 10, the Stag 10 is the clear winner. Unless you get one heck of a smoking deal on the BCL 102, even then the Stag is at the Aramalite level and not the DPMS lower level that the BCL 102 competes with.

My ghost barreled Stag 10 so far:

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I like the contours on the Stag 10 upper/lower. It's a sleek AR308 rifle.

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If looking to buy right now, I would go with the Stag 10. I do like my BCL 102 and I'm not selling it. But... it's not the quality of rifle that the Stag 10 is. Is the BCL 102 complete junk? Not from the ones I have seen. But they are hobby grade and compete with the DPMS LR308 for that style of rifle. They do so fairly well and the price reflects this. Plus you get some nice options such as ambi bolt release etc. When I finish my Stag 10 I'll look at doing a side by side comparison. But for now, I will again advise to go for the Stag 10 if the price is even close and you want something a little nicer. The next level up from the Stag is the KAC/LMT, HK etc. The next level up from the BCL 102 is the Stag 10, Armalite AR10 etc.
 
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BCL 102:


If looking to buy right now, I would go with the Stag 10. I do like my BCL 102 and I'm not selling it. But... it's not the quality of rifle that the Stag 10 is. Is the BCL 102 complete junk? Not from the ones I have seen. But they are hobby grade and compete with the DPMS LR308 for that style of rifle. They do so fairly well and the price reflects this. Plus you get some nice options such as ambi bolt release etc. When I finish my Stag 10 I'll look at doing a side by side comparison. But for now, I will again advise to go for the Stag 10 if the price is even close and you want something a little nicer. The next level up from the Stag is the KAC/LMT, HK etc. The next level up from the BCL 102 is the Stag 10, Armalite AR10 etc.

I was looking at the stag 10 but the bcl with the iop program is more in line with my price point, that being said the last thing I want is to be dealing with is mfg gremlins. I've been researching this alot and it seems the bcl 102 is all over the place, one person says they've had 1000 rnds down the pipe and no problems while the other says they've had nothing but problems. Maybe I'll have too be prying the wallet open a little more and get the stag 10, I definitely want to keep to the unrestricted class.. Thank you for the informative post this is exactly the info I'm looking for.:)
 
I thought I would also add some background to my BCL 102 ownership.
I also own a Tavor 21 and RA XCR-L, both in 5.56.
RA also makes the XCR-M in .308, and I understand IWI could soon be bringing the Tavor 7 (.308) to Canada.

Both the Tavor and RA are a big jump up from the BCL 102 AND are priced as such.
The Tavor 21 is well proven and needs only the Super Sabra Lightning Bow (installed) to make this an excellent tactical rifle.
Simply put, this would be my choice to go to war with. The bullpup design is perfect for the urban environment.

The RA is also an excellent rifle. Cost aside, it would be my choice for a .308 AND 6.5 Creedmore, simply buy an extra barrel, and you are good to go.

Both the RA and TAVOR are Gas Piston Rifles and as such, clean and reliable as, well an AK-47.
The TAVOR 7 is very new, and time will tell how well it serves on the battlefield, however, given the IWI, I expect will be an excellent product.

As for my BCL 102, I am still a happy owner. It now feels broken in and shots Hirtenberger good enough for the range.
Maybe I will upgrade the trigger and maybe the barrel and BCG down the line to get to a sub-MOA rifle.
However, for now, it's tons of fun, and for the price, the grins per mile are hard to beat. :)


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If I was looking now and choosing between the 2, I would go with the stag10.
However I own a bcl 102 and it’s great so far, I wouldn’t sell this to get a stag 10 as I don’t think it’s worth it.
 
I’ve had my factory bcl102 now since the beginning of September and have put approx 300 rounds down the pipe since then and it has been flawless. It’s a Gen II with the better trigger and while its not a match grade trigger its a big step up from a mil spec TA. I’ve put an adjustable gas block and muzzle break on it and it shoots like a dream. I’ve managed to cook up some handloads using xm80 brass, hornady 165 gr interlocks and 42 grains of IMR 4064 and they shoot just under an inch at 100 yards... can’t complain about that! It even shoots XM80 into 1.5-2 inch groups. I have no doubt that a stag 10 is a step up but for the money I wouldn’t upgrade at this point. Took my 102 moose hunting this year packing it between 4-10kms a day and it didn’t bother me. Finish has worn a bit on the sharp edges but it gives it some character. All in all I love mine and will be keeping it for a while. It’s a great range and hunting rig so I say buy one if that’s what you can afford. I’ll Probably build another in 6.5 CM when the funds are available.
 
I like mine I have a Gen 1 and it groups fine oddly enough it shoots under an inch with Winchester 150 power point. I do wish it shot more loads like that but that will work for deer. Need to spend more time to get a good load which I will do next year as for now the power points will do. No malfunctions at all but I only have maybe 100 rounds so far.
 
I thought I would also add some background to my BCL 102 ownership.
I also own a Tavor 21 and RA XCR-L, both in 5.56.
RA also makes the XCR-M in .308, and I understand IWI could soon be bringing the Tavor 7 (.308) to Canada.

Both the Tavor and RA are a big jump up from the BCL 102 AND are priced as such.
The Tavor 21 is well proven and needs only the Super Sabra Lightning Bow (installed) to make this an excellent tactical rifle.
Simply put, this would be my choice to go to war with. The bullpup design is perfect for the urban environment.

The RA is also an excellent rifle. Cost aside, it would be my choice for a .308 AND 6.5 Creedmore, simply buy an extra barrel, and you are good to go.

Both the RA and TAVOR are Gas Piston Rifles and as such, clean and reliable as, well an AK-47.
The TAVOR 7 is very new, and time will tell how well it serves on the battlefield, however, given the IWI, I expect will be an excellent product.

As for my BCL 102, I am still a happy owner. It now feels broken in and shots Hirtenberger good enough for the range.
Maybe I will upgrade the trigger and maybe the barrel and BCG down the line to get to a sub-MOA rifle.
However, for now, it's tons of fun, and for the price, the grins per mile are hard to beat. :)


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borh are finely put together rifles however an owner needs to like these style of firearms to be really happy with them. The bullpup is not for me.
 
It's BCL, if they give it to you without a magazine they can blame the magazine you supply for it not functioning properly.

Every gun leaves here with a magazine so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Ryan
 
That gun hasn't been sand blasted and it appears to be anodized. That's not BCL assembling them, it is a dealer who was sent parts kits to make into guns.

Ryan

Finish quality of parts & inconsistent specs to sum it up.

Example .......

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Hey Ryan @Chemist, quick question that I will ask here as I am sure it is an interest of others.

If we buy a BCL 102 new from you, do we still need to register it with BCL?
I have no issues at all with mine, but If I need to register it, I should get id done :)

Rick
 
They recommend that you register it within 3 months I believe but I've never seen them turn down someone for warranty.

Ryan

Hey Ryan @Chemist, quick question that I will ask here as I am sure it is an interest of others.

If we buy a BCL 102 new from you, do we still need to register it with BCL?
I have no issues at all with mine, but If I need to register it, I should get id done :)

Rick
 
this was a very interesting thread to read!
it was exactly what i needed.
ive been watching the NR 308 progression over the last year and have been wanting to get into them but have been holding back waiting for bugs to get worked out and more players to enter the market and hope prices come down.

now i find myself sitting on some extra money and prices have indeed come down some and we are up a couple Gen's and ive got the itch to pull the trigger!

i was able to fondle a BCL102 at my LGS a couple times now and im getting very keen on getting one.
but the nagging in the back of my mind was...... maybe a STAG would be a better choice.....
 
If it helps you decide, it will cost roughly the same to upgrade a BCL with quality parts versus building a rifle with the Stag receiver set.
 
I like the new msrp, I’ve been watching the EE for some deals but some folks are still asking msrp or more. Too bad these are omitted from the SFRC 12-15% off sales.
 
Lucky. First day at the range i tried multiple different types of loads and it ejected maybe 4 of 60. Paying to ship it back for warrenty after literally the first day.
 
Lucky. First day at the range i tried multiple different types of loads and it ejected maybe 4 of 60. Paying to ship it back for warrenty after literally the first day.

Did you properly strip and thoroughly clean followed by applying a considerable amount of lubricant before shooting it?
 
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