Hunting Permission: Let’s talk Price

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Bahahaha. Now that right there was really funny
 
umchorn2 said:
Let this be my last words on the topic.
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Halle-friggin'-luyah...

I’m making a general statement here...If you don’t want to pay for anything then you don’t have to. You get what you give. Give nothing = get nothing. Don’t expect any thing for free or take anything for granted. No one gave me their land for free, I had to buy it. I have to pay taxes that keep going up every year to the Rural Municipality for land that just sits for wildlife. Wildlife that non land holding folk think they have some rights to shoot at no cost. What really bothers me is people who have no land telling me what I can or cannot charge for my resources simply because they don’t want to pay for something. It’s like they think it’s ok to dictate who can sell what and to whom for what price and then make it the law.

If the wildlife belongs to the people it bloody well belongs to me. That’s what that whole B.S. statement means in the first place about wildlife being public. It’s my wildlife...I’m a Canadian citizen and I have a claim to that wildlife. Every Canadian has a claim but not every Canadian has the land to access that wildlife from. It can be argued I even have more of a claim than a person who lives in a condo in some big city. I own the land the animals live on and this land gives these animals life. If I was a multimillionaire I’d own even more land and have a stronger claim on the resource. But I was born with nothing, only a claim on the wildlife in this country. Everything else I own now I worked to buy it and pay taxes to retain it.

I have the right to derive an income from my land as any farmer or property owner would. If that means simply charging a fee for being on the land then so be it. I’d take that claim to the Supreme Court.

And one last statement that most of you schmucks aren’t going to like.

I’m a real hunter conservationist. I understand that if I or any humans born after me are going to have anything to hunt in the future then I have to make the investment myself. I sure as hell can’t trust a government to keep a place for me to hunt. I had to spend money to buy my own land. That makes me a conservationist. So if you’re sitting there reading this thinking you’re going to get a chance to hunt in the future for a $40 tag enjoy it while it’s free. But you won’t be getting hunting permission on my land for free. I control the access and I will set a price. I won’t be giving permission to some cheap schmuck who isn’t interested in contributing to conservation. And land owners are waking up to their rights.

So schmuck...you can either be a man with dignity, take pride and pay money to be a contributing member of the hunter conservation movement or keep begging like a free-riding loser and put your name in for another draw on public land with the rest of the cheap skates who think their entitled to their chance at the declining public resource trough. And if you’re worried you won’t be able to afford access to hunt then better work overtime, learn a new skill that pays more or not get that golf membership if you want to hunt so bad. You’d be doing us all a favor by staying at home...especially the animals.
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"A man with dignity"??? News flash: a man with dignity doesn't feel the need to continuously blow his own horn. I can't recall reading a thread of yours in which you fail to point out how much money you have earned, how much you have spent on this property, how principled and ethical and conservation-minded you are, blah, blah, blah. Working hard, being successful and owning property are not unheard-of accomplishments. Everyone who owns land got it by earning the money to pay for it; no need to point out how it's done, thank you. Inheritance? Sure, that's a possibility...but the person who inherits significant property or wealth and manages to keep it and grow it would probably have done well on his own. The person who doesn't display your, shall we say, "financial acumen" :rolleyes: will likely be penniless in short order no matter how much he receives by luck. And do you really think you garner the attention you crave by calling everyone else "schmucks"?

"Troll" doesn't quite cover it. "Ogre" just sounds too impressive and intimidating. So...can we coin the phrase "Obnoxious Garden Gnome"? That way the reference to "garden" will keep reminding people that you are successful enough to own some land. :ang
 
Ridersfan said:
So here's a new angle to stir the pot. Saskatchewan says that you can't charge access for accessing nature? And everyone here says yeah... I agree, you shouldn't have to pay to access nature... we all know that the deer aren't owned, so it's the access to nature being payed access is wrong.

So, why do we pay to be admitted to a national park, a provincial park, or a regional park??? Why does everyone's arguing points go out the window as soon as we want to go to the lake for a weekend?
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At the park or the lake you are paying for services, not access to nature.

I believe all landowners should have the choice to charge for access to the services they provide on their land, no different than a provincial or national park.
 
skhunter said:
Have lots of friends hunting my land, some of whom I have never met.

But then I don't choose my friends based on what they can do for me.
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Apparently you do as this statement was a creation of your own imagination. You are the only one that elluded to that

Friends I’ve never met...hahaha. Case in point...
 
jjohnwm said:
Halle-friggin'-luyah...



"A man with dignity"??? News flash: a man with dignity doesn't feel the need to continuously blow his own horn. I can't recall reading a thread of yours in which you fail to point out how much money you have earned, how much you have spent on this property, how principled and ethical and conservation-minded you are, blah, blah, blah. Working hard, being successful and owning property are not unheard-of accomplishments. Everyone who owns land got it by earning the money to pay for it; no need to point out how it's done, thank you. Inheritance? Sure, that's a possibility...but the person who inherits significant property or wealth and manages to keep it and grow it would probably have done well on his own. The person who doesn't display your, shall we say, "financial acumen" :rolleyes: will likely be penniless in short order no matter how much he receives by luck. And do you really think you garner the attention you crave by calling everyone else "schmucks"?

"Troll" doesn't quite cover it. "Ogre" just sounds too impressive and intimidating. So...can we coin the phrase "Obnoxious Garden Gnome"? That way the reference to "garden" will keep reminding people that you are successful enough to own some land. :ang
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That sums it up
 
umchorn2 said:
Let this be my last words on the topic.

I’m making a general statement here...If you don’t want to pay for anything then you don’t have to. You get what you give. Give nothing = get nothing. Don’t expect any thing for free or take anything for granted. No one gave me their land for free, I had to buy it. I have to pay taxes that keep going up every year to the Rural Municipality for land that just sits for wildlife. Wildlife that non land holding folk think they have some rights to shoot at no cost. What really bothers me is people who have no land telling me what I can or cannot charge for my resources simply because they don’t want to pay for something. It’s like they think it’s ok to dictate who can sell what and to whom for what price and then make it the law.

If the wildlife belongs to the people it bloody well belongs to me. That’s what that whole B.S. statement means in the first place about wildlife being public. It’s my wildlife...I’m a Canadian citizen and I have a claim to that wildlife. Every Canadian has a claim but not every Canadian has the land to access that wildlife from. It can be argued I even have more of a claim than a person who lives in a condo in some big city. I own the land the animals live on and this land gives these animals life. If I was a multimillionaire I’d own even more land and have a stronger claim on the resource. But I was born with nothing, only a claim on the wildlife in this country. Everything else I own now I worked to buy it and pay taxes to retain it.

I have the right to derive an income from my land as any farmer or property owner would. If that means simply charging a fee for being on the land then so be it. I’d take that claim to the Supreme Court.

And one last statement that most of you schmucks aren’t going to like.

I’m a real hunter conservationist. I understand that if I or any humans born after me are going to have anything to hunt in the future then I have to make the investment myself. I sure as hell can’t trust a government to keep a place for me to hunt. I had to spend money to buy my own land. That makes me a conservationist. So if you’re sitting there reading this thinking you’re going to get a chance to hunt in the future for a $40 tag enjoy it while it’s free. But you won’t be getting hunting permission on my land for free. I control the access and I will set a price. I won’t be giving permission to some cheap schmuck who isn’t interested in contributing to conservation. And land owners are waking up to their rights.

So schmuck...you can either be a man with dignity, take pride and pay money to be a contributing member of the hunter conservation movement or keep begging like a free-riding loser and put your name in for another draw on public land with the rest of the cheap skates who think their entitled to their chance at the declining public resource trough. And if you’re worried you won’t be able to afford access to hunt then better work overtime, learn a new skill that pays more or not get that golf membership if you want to hunt so bad. You’d be doing us all a favor by staying at home...especially the animals.
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So,, did you decide how much you will be charging for hunting your land?
 
Landowners should be free to do as they please with their land. Hence "Land Owner"...

If they want to sell trees or a load of sand from their pit, have at it. Paying for access to log or hunt is no difference, and is by no means buying game animals, unless you are selling canned hunts.
 
Umchorn2 - the land owner does not own the animal. The Crown owns the animal, therefore you should ask the Crown to compensate you for the animals trespassing on your land - the bloody varmints eating your grass and twigs and stuff. It’s egregious!
 
I agree with umchorn2 110%!!!! Very accurate statement. I'm grateful for the landowners that allow me to hunt their land for free, for a gift bottle and by lease. I'm grateful to my father who purchased land for hunting last year. It will become a family heirloom.
 
I dont know if this has been brought up yet, but if you pay taxes every year on land that you purchased, what entitles others to enjoy it for free ?
If they fall in a hole and break an ankle, you are likely gonna get a call from their lawyer.
No one owns the wildlife... but go shoot it where you have permission.
 
cath8r said:
I dont know if this has been brought up yet, but if you pay taxes every year on land that you purchased, what entitles others to enjoy it for free ?
If they fall in a hole and break an ankle, you are likely gonna get a call from their lawyer.
No one owns the wildlife... but go shoot it where you have permission.
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No one is entitled to anything for free....and I would think you are more likely to get a call from a lawyer if someone breaks an ankle on a property they have paid to be on.
 
$400 for year-round access to 120 acres. More than fair for around here (south of the St. Lawrence and west highway 15) and I consider myself quite lucky to have it.
 
cath8r said:
I agree with umchorn2 110%!!!! Very accurate statement. I'm grateful for the landowners that allow me to hunt their land for free, for a gift bottle and by lease. I'm grateful to my father who purchased land for hunting last year. It will become a family heirloom.
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I think it’s the attitude and approach that is rubbing people the wrong way.
 
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