Hunting guide files lawsuit against province over B.C. grizzly hunt ban

Hunting guide files lawsuit against province over B.C. grizzly hunt ban

http s://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hunting-guide-files-lawsuit-against-province-over-b-c-grizzly-hunt-ban-1.4953496

Well, my first thought is that hunting is a privilege, governed under the authority of a province or territory. The Northern Territories recently did the same with the caribou because of the immense reduction in population. A few years back, Saskatchewan shut-down the antelope season because of high winter mortality rate, and many had migrated south to northern Montana. Sometimes it works the opposite where culls are conducted to eliminate diseased animals or over-population.
 
There a good case to be made by the outfitters that they are owed money. It won’t bring back the grizzly hunt.

I’m interested to see if residents are compensated too. :)
 
If the court reopen the grizzly hunt, then we will have another concern: in the future, if a liberal government allows grizzly hunt, will the court give an injunction to stop such hunt
 
I hope it wins in court...

The court document says there are approximately 15,000 grizzly bears in British Columbia, about 25 per cent of the entire grizzly population in North America, and that the number of the bears has remained stable for the last two decades.

It says government data shows hunting of up to nine per cent of some grizzly populations is sustainable and that the Ministry of Forests does not have the authority under the Wildlife Act to regulate grizzly hunts "outside the scope of proper wildlife management."

These things should be based on data, and the government agencies should only be involved when it comes to proper wildlife management instead of political reasons.
 
Really not sure how it will play out. The hunt closure hit my family with a life changing loss in revenue and costs incurred, we expect nothing close to the true cost in compensation. That said I never got into outfitting to try and get rich either it’s a lifestyle that can operate as a business.

Track references areas where the hunts were closed on population concerns, and where the outfitter doesn’t have to own lease rights that run from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars like BC. Our situation is quite different as the B.C. Grizzly hunt was assessed by biologists for the government in a review last year as fully sustainable, and the NDP government even said to their credit the closure was not population based.

Then the value of territories are affected like property values by the quotas attached. It’s a far more complicated question here, as it was a political closure and we’re all so heavily personally invested, my house is mortgaged to buy my territory for instance. When our main revenue stream was chopped on a political consideration it becomes a dynamic consideration. I personally will not be waiting on the government to make things right and will pursue new avenues in business to remain viable.
 
Guide outfitting company launches class-action suit against B.C. ban on grizzly bear hunt

Seeks compensation for all guide outfitting businesses in the province in light of NDP government December, 2017, ban on the hunt
Gordon McIntyre

Updated: December 19, 2018

A class-action lawsuit has been launched against the provincial government over its year-old ban on hunting grizzly bears in B.C.

The suit alleges the government’s decision was made for inappropriate reasons, did not take proper wildlife management practices into account, and was reached knowing that it would cause harm to the province’s 245 guide outfitters.

“There is a right way and a wrong way the government can do things,” said Vancouver lawyer Joan Young, who filed the suit on behalf of Hazelton guide outfitter Ron Fleming. “Our position is the government is not going about this the right way.

“They pulled the rug out from under outfitters, there was no consultation, this was not a science-based decision, or done for First Nations reasons. It was done for other reasons.

“In our view, that is not appropriate and not legally well-thought out.”

Fleming has been a licensed big-game hunting guide for 45 years and owns the Hazelton outfitter company Love Bros. & Lee.

“To suggest we can just retrain to other businesses or move to the city is absurd and disrespectful of rural communities,” he said.

The Iskut and Tahltan First Nations joined Fleming in criticizing the ban, calling it irresponsible, counterproductive and dangerous.

“The grizzly bear hunting-ban decision by the province was made without adequate consultation with the Tahltan Nation, other First Nations and many other important stakeholders,” said Chad Norman Day, president of the Tahltan central government in Dease Lake. “It has hurt our people culturally, economically and put many of British Columbia’s communities and dwindling ungulate and salmon populations at further risk.”

Jesse Zeman, director of the B.C. Wildlife Federation’s fish and wildlife restoration program, agreed there is “clearly not a science basis” for the ban.

The ban will mean more prey animals such as moose will die, he said.

“And we think, as time moves on, you’ll see an increase in grizzly-human conflicts.”

According to the lawsuit, 118 of the province’s approximately 245 guide outfitters held allocations and quotas for guiding grizzly hunts as of Dec. 17, 2017. On average, about 250 grizzlies a year were killed.

“Guide outfitters have been hit very hard by this decision,” said Scott Ellis, executive director of the Guide outfitters Association of B.C. “If the government is not prepared to fairly compensate these outfitters, they are left with little other choice.”


According to the lawsuit, guide outfitters have been active in B.C. since the late 1800s, directly employ 2,000 people, and add more than $116 million to the provincial economy.

All non-resident bear hunters must use a guide outfitter (B.C. residents may opt not to) and a fee upwards of $25,000 US is not uncommon, according to the suit. That fee is paid whether a hunt is successful or not, and grizzly hunts are among the most profitable for guide outfitters.

About a quarter of all North American grizzly bears live in B.C., roughly 15,000 of them, a population the province estimates has been stable for two decades, the suit states.

“Other than a short-lived ban in 2001, grizzly bears have been hunted in British Columbia for hundreds, if not thousands, of years,” it reads. “There was an average of 212 guided grizzly bear hunts each year from 2011 to 2015 in British Columbia. … Historically, resident and non-resident hunters harvest less than two per cent of the B.C. grizzly bear population each year.”

The Wildlife Act allows for the hunting of a variety of big game, including bison, black bear, bobcat, caribou, cougar, deer, elk, lynx, moose, mountain goat, mountain sheep, wolf and wolverine.

The suit claims the minister responsible does not have the legal authority under the Wildlife Act to prohibit the hunting of a specific species, or to regulate or prohibit the grizzly bear hunt for political reasons or because of popular opinion.

It says outfitters were promised allocations and quotas would only be changed for wildlife management reasons such as population change.

In Fleming’s case, he was issued a 25-year guide’s certificate for specific territory in 2013, receiving five-year allocations and quotas for grizzlies, among other big-game animals: Two grizzly bears in a five-year period in the Skeenas, 11 grizzlies in five years in the Ominecas.

The minister in charge, Doug Donaldson, is also named in the suit.

Donaldson told Postmedia by email that the decision to implement the ban was made after months of consultation.

“As part of the announcement, the government committed to work with businesses to assist in their transition away from dependence on the grizzly hunts,” he said. “At this time, it would not be appropriate to comment on the legal claim.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/guide-outfitting-company-launches-class-action-suit-against-b-c-ban-on-grizzly-bear-hunt
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It is my belief that the NDEEPS will have no problem settling this rather quickly with our tax dollars.
I do not for a second believe the hunt will be reinstated however.
And what all this means for the Resident Hunters I cannot even fathom a guess...

Certainly will be pulling for them regardless...

Cheers,
Nog
 
I can certainly see the ndp losing large in the next election anywhere outside region 1 and 2. Alienating the rural population by driving up our costs of living and endangering communities and family incomes by banning grizzly hunting for political gain. many of us are asking ourselves what's next? are they going to ban us from fishing salmon and hunting moose next? due to "popular public opinion" of course.

jokers to the left of me...... clowns to the right......
 
I can certainly see the ndp losing large in the next election anywhere outside region 1 and 2. .....


The results of the 'Proportional representation" referendum just in and the NDP and Greens lost their only chance to stay in power next election.

Thank God 61% of the referendum respondents saw through the smoke screen.
 
But, it was only 41% of the registered voters who took the time and effort to respond.
Rob

Yes, but the 43% of eligible voters that took the time to mail back the package is slightly less than the ~50% that show up for Provincial elections and slightly more than the ~35% that show up for municipal elections. It's voter apathy that will kill this country in the end.............
 
Yes, but the 43% of eligible voters that took the time to mail back the package is slightly less than the ~50% that show up for Provincial elections and slightly more than the ~35% that show up for municipal elections. It's voter apathy that will kill this country in the end.............

yup and i see it as a good thing that at least 61% of the 41% that voted weren't dumb enuff to fall for these electoral reform schemes.
 
My favourite was the government recommendation that you could vote no and also vote yes for one of the PR choices. This was right on the ballot material. So they gave you the opportunity to negate your no vote. The government, IMO, needs to compensate for loss of asset (cost of hunting territory) and loss of income based on asset. The hunt was sustainable and was closed to appease a rabid anti-hunting voting base. This should be easy to prove but will drag on. Ardent has the right idea and with any luck will receive a large cheque somewhere in the future. I expected the vote to be closer, very pleased with the result. Now we just have to separate from the lower mainland and we won't have to put up with any more of their BS :).
 
Reality is none of the mainstream parties want proportional rep if they have any chance of getting a majority. BC's present government is just about what proportional representation would be, those not in the driver seat would be calling the shots. :)

Grizz
 
Personally I think this lawsuit is a great idea. Make the government and lobbyists re-fight this issue rather than letting them move on to the next thing they want to ban. If Ron wins that would be fantastic.
 
It's going to cost Fleming and his supporters thousands and thousands of dollars and cost the taxpayers even more in legal fees and I'll bet it gets thrown out of court. Pissing into the wind as far as I can see.
 
Yes, the financial cost of this suit will be enormous but I'm sure this is a test case and Ron will have the financial support of the Northern Guides And Outfitters Association, BC Guides And Outfitters Association and probably the BC Trappers Association and many individual rod and gun clubs in the province, at least in the north. Don't expect to see the B C Wildlife Federation climbing on board even though this also affects resident hunters, all they want to do with the guides and outfitters is fight them at every turn, even when there should be common purpose. They're too busy lobbying to save the nearly extinct Thompson River Steelhead that they didn't protect. Ron Fleming, the Collingwood brothers and most of the other northern outfitters are a tough bunch and it's going to be a nasty and interesting fight. These guides and outfitters, which many resident hunters constantly bad mouth are fighting for resident hunting rights as well and putting their money where their mouth is.
 
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