Coyotes and Foxes

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08A42.0t

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Preface this with Im NOT a hunter.

We have an issue with coyotes and foxes. We have pets and have had a couple taken. I am waiting for my PAL and RPAL to come. Now Im not going into their territory and hunting them but I would like to deter them from coming to mine. I live just outside a rural Ontario small town.

Are their suggestions on how to deter them with out elimination?

If not what do I do with the carcasses after?

Thank you

And what are the legalities of this action or actions?
 
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08A42.0t said:
Preface this with Im NOT a hunter.
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I have a Boston Bulldog and a mix Terrier from Mexico. One or two may not bother the dogs but a few will more worried about our cats and such. Farm a couple of doors down (quarter mile) have all kinds of livestock. Thats just like ringing the dinner bell.

The wolves are breeding with the coyotes and the result is the Coyowolves. They are not overly deterred just by human presence.
 
bellero said:
Get as large Sheppard type dog or a guard lama lol
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Yeah my maremma will put the run on anything that comes in the yard and even flys over head.

They think for them selfs and are very different the other dogs. They dont wait for commands they just act. They were bread to think 100% on their own without any input from an owner. They just do what is needed to be done. No questions. And if you have a wolf problem they can handle that too without issue. Again bread to kill wolfs and protect sheep from all possible threats.
 
08A42.0t said:
Is a .22LR enough to kill it? I dont want something wounded walking around
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Sure, after quite some time before it succumbs to it's injuries. Nobody intentionally shoots either animal in the lungs with a 22lr unless they're looking to make the animal suffer. However, a head shot will be effective if you limit yourself to closer shots.


Have you considered getting someone else, aka an agent, to deal with the problem animals?



The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act authorizes you to use an agent to act on your behalf. Licenced hunters (H1 Outdoors Card), licenced trappers, members of your immediate family, person’s whose business is nuisance wildlife removal, municipal employees responsible for wildlife control or Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (OSPCA) employees can also serve as your agent. If you’re unable to find an agent from these groups, the Act identifies two additional types of agents;

1: a named individual agent – tied to a specific property. Usually a 30-day appointment and must be able to be licensed as a hunter. In the case of bears, where the response time is critical, this authorization can be done over the phone.

2: a term agent – authorized to deal with all the nuisance wildlife (bears, raccoons, etc.) in a defined area, for example a specific property, concession or township.

Speak with your MNRF District Office for further information on either of these options.
 
08A42.0t said:
And what are the legalities of this action or actions?
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Your municipality may have local by-laws regarding the discharge of firearms.

And, of course, the Ontario Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997 (and regulations) and the Criminal Code are also at play.

Section 31 of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997 (only an excerpt below, read the whole thing) may be especially pertinent:

Protection of property
31 (1) If a person believes on reasonable grounds that wildlife is damaging or is about to damage the person’s property, the person may, on the person’s land,
(a) harass the wildlife for the purpose of deterring it from damaging the person’s property; or
(b) capture or kill the wildlife.
Agents
(2) The person may use an agent to harass, capture or kill the wildlife under subsection (1) if the agent has the authorization of the Minister or belongs to a class of agents prescribed by the regulations.
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If you intend to rely on section 31, it would be a good idea to have a look at how it has been interpreted and applied.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Sure, after quite some time before it succumbs to it's injuries. Nobody intentionally shoots either animal in the lungs with a 22lr unless they're looking to make the animal suffer. However, a head shot will be effective if you limit yourself to closer shots.


Have you considered getting someone else, aka an agent, to deal with the problem animals?



The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act authorizes you to use an agent to act on your behalf. Licenced hunters (H1 Outdoors Card), licenced trappers, members of your immediate family, person’s whose business is nuisance wildlife removal, municipal employees responsible for wildlife control or Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (OSPCA) employees can also serve as your agent. If you’re unable to find an agent from these groups, the Act identifies two additional types of agents;

1: a named individual agent – tied to a specific property. Usually a 30-day appointment and must be able to be licensed as a hunter. In the case of bears, where the response time is critical, this authorization can be done over the phone.

2: a term agent – authorized to deal with all the nuisance wildlife (bears, raccoons, etc.) in a defined area, for example a specific property, concession or township.

Speak with your MNRF District Office for further information on either of these options.
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I dunno. I would rather shoot a coyote in the lungs with a 22lr. Head shots are risky - the target is small (the head is small, the brain is tiny), heads move around more than the chest and in less predictable ways, and the chances of maiming it are much higher IMO because you run the risk of blowing off its jaw or nose, or having the bullet deflect off the skull.

I'd say a bad shot in either location will cause lots of unnecessary suffering, and a good shot will give you a dead song dog, the lungs are a bigger target though.
 
for actual effective results, hire a trapper... or keep animals indoors. Being a non-hunter i don't see you being effective and maybe you'll get 1 if you get lucky but there are still likely many more.
 
If you want to try hunting to see if you enjoy it. Buy an inexpensive .223 and an electronic caller. If you truly want to control or reduce the predator pupolation find a trapper and allow him acces to your property. Hunting coyotes is fun and will keep them on their toes when close by your home but when darkness falls they will howl in your yard and eat your kitty without fear. Traps work 24-7 and you don't have to turn on the he lights and scramble for the rifle to put the snafoo on em!
 
Suther said:
I dunno. I would rather shoot a coyote in the lungs with a 22lr. Head shots are risky - the target is small (the head is small, the brain is tiny), heads move around more than the chest and in less predictable ways, and the chances of maiming it are much higher IMO because you run the risk of blowing off its jaw or nose, or having the bullet deflect off the skull.

I'd say a bad shot in either location will cause lots of unnecessary suffering, and a good shot will give you a dead song dog, the lungs are a bigger target though.
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Actually a head shot on a coyote is not at all beyond reason. If at 50 meters one can shoot a squirrel in the noogin then a coyote, which is much bigger, is not out of the question. Recently I took out a big raccoon with a cci quiet round and when it was skinned the skull showed a significant trauma. A well placed round is going to drop it right where it stands. There is a reason Guido the hit man uses a 22!
 
If in Ontario you will need a small Game license and some WMU's in Ontario have a 2 tag limit.
The other concern is are you sure you can shoot on your property and in your township? My property I cannot shoot guns on but the third farm field behind I can. I use a crossbow in my back yard (1 ac) for racoons or whatever I don't want in the back.

In terms of fire power a 22 Rimfire could take out a Yote, heck the largest Grizzly ever shot was take by a 22 single.

But recommendation I would suggest something along the power of a 223. Maybe look into a Savage XP in 223. Unless you buy a low end 22 your going to spend about 400.00 For about an extra 150 you can buy a Savage XP in 223.
 
Has anyone had experience with coyotes using a 22rf? On paper it looks as if it should be ok. Even a large one at 40 lbs is only 1/4- 1/3 the weight of a deer. I'm just thinking about inside 50 yards.
 
how big is the property? if we are talking 50yds to the farthest fence, than a 12/20ga shotgun . If we are talking 100yds, then maybe 22mag, any further, get a centerfire rifle.

i have 1 1/2 acres abutting a farm (i dont have permission to hunt it yet) and my 22mag is my critter ridder on my property.
 
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