Yomomma, that is my neighbors thoughts. He is a hunter and I have talked to him regarding my issue.Thank you for the reference section 31. jiffx2781, I feel like I would have a better (more humane) kill with a larger caliber and less chance of wounding.
Coyotes and Foxes
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.223 and .22 are the same caliber, (pretty much).
Get a .270 if you want a larger caliber.
Coyotes dont care how many animals they injure or how long they take to die. Coyotes are pests, shoot on site with no remorse.
Doesn't matter if they're pests or not - a humane kill should always be the objective.
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Truer words never spoken. Like em or hate em they are a living thing and deserve a every effort be dispatched as humanely as possible
Always the objective, but i sure as hell would not shed a tear if it didnt happen concerning coyotes.
To each his own, but I'd feel just as bad if it was a coyote or a deer (or any other creature for that matter). I have no objection to harvesting animals, or of controlling pests, but the day of the old-fashioned snare and the leghold trap are gone (and I did use both in my younger days).
Don't the new snares have the clips to ensure a quick death? As far as the leg-holds, are they the same that were used 50 years ago? Those are what I was referring to. In the old snares, an animal could be days before dying.
Foot holds require a bit of offset or padding in the jaws if used for coyotes. Fox traps ok same as 50 years ago as all the new regs were to appease the euro crowd and they have foxes... Killing snares in most provinces require a lock which will only tighten and not work loose. Some allow kill springs to go with the lock, some do not. Some jurisdictions (usually more populated) allow a "cable restraint" where there is no lock and the animal is caught but not killed by the snare.
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223 55gr HP at 3100 fps
The cartridge was practivally made for killing coyotes
It's affordable too compared to other calibers. You can still find hollow points for well under a buck a round if you look.
Barnaul soft points in 55 and 62gr all over at under 50 cents a round.
I prefer velocity over projo weight in 223 though. Fragmentation causes horrific fast acting wounds.
I also agree with the side of no animal should suffer needlessly, varnint pest or not leave the 22lr for squirrels rabbits and beer cans.....
The cartridge was practivally made for killing coyotes
It's affordable too compared to other calibers. You can still find hollow points for well under a buck a round if you look.
Barnaul soft points in 55 and 62gr all over at under 50 cents a round.
I prefer velocity over projo weight in 223 though. Fragmentation causes horrific fast acting wounds.
I also agree with the side of no animal should suffer needlessly, varnint pest or not leave the 22lr for squirrels rabbits and beer cans.....
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Well he’s not wrong... the first two sentences are just in response to the OPs comment that “a bigger caliber would be better”. But both 22lr and .223 have a .224 caliber. So yes, .270 would be a bigger caliber than both of those rounds.
As for the last paragraph, he clarified a few posts down that his objective is always a humane kill. Merely that he feels no remorse if things go wrong. I feel the same about coyotes, as do MANY farmers I know. Dead lambs and chickens will do that to a person. Coyotes occupy the same sympathy plain as rats, mice, and insects. Doesn’t mean I want to see them suffer. Just means I want them dead.
Very well said sir - even with desirable game, sometimes things will go wrong, and an animal will suffer for a long time. However, as long as the hunter took reasonable steps to ensure a humane kill, I'd chalk it up to "Sh!t happens".
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