.223 vs 9mm Carbine?

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I have a couple fun .223 rifles and recently noticed the CZ Scorpion 9mm Carbine non restricted...

Any of you guys running both rounds in rifles?
I have 9mm handguns so the ammo is around
Are there any but pluses / minuses to think about?
 
PCC are super fun to shoot. Cheaper on ammo, easier to introduce newbies to shooting. All the girls i brought to the range rather shoot my pcc in 9mm than my my ar15.
 
My 16" barreled cx4 is still shorter than my 14" AR so what I lose in accuracy in a 9mm I gain back with barrel length and controllability up to 100 yards. The weight is about the same but my pcc is over all a slimmer package. My belt and chest rigs are lighter also because I could run lighter, higher capacity and more magazines in training or compitition than my AR. I pair up my cx4 and my 92 because they both use the same 96 magazines which enables me to legally begin with 16 rounds in each of my firearms. I could hold 2 magazines, 30 rounds of 9mm in the same realestate as 1, 10 round LARS pistol mag. My AR is paired up with my Sig 228 and for farting around at the range, sometime it is such a hassle to carry around 2 different types of magazines in addition to your shotgun shells.
 
For pcc shot the beretta cx4 storm and b&t apc9, haven't shot the current crop of pcc but handled a cz skorpion evo and ruger pc carbine.
9mm won't be as accurate or go as far as 556 but its around half the cost. And a lot of fun.

For 556/223 tons of great options out and around.

For semi auto 223/556 my most positive experience in the nr world has been the hk sl8. I will give my take on my slr after shooting a fair few rounds out of it.

For restricted can't go wrong with a good ar.
 
ZREXER said:
Unfortunately, we have a rather hefty unofficial NR tax in Canada. My $2500 NR Tavor X-95 doesn't come close to the accuracy of my $700 S&W M&P 15. Still love it, but wish it shot a little better. At least I can use it off the range. I am not a fan of anything by Keltec (once bitten, twice shy). Some like their $1000 SU-16's and they seem decently accurate. The Keltec RDB at around $1650 has gotten pretty solid reviews. Not really a fan of anything Chinese myself, but many love their T-97's and they seem decently accurate. Depending on the model, they are in the $850 to $1100 area.

On the other hand both Bushmaster ACM's and Robinson Arm's are decent options, but in the $2800 to $3000 dollar area, so kind of pricey


Probably the best bet for cheap and decent is the new offering from Wolverine WK 180's. Current price is around $1100, but they are still filling pre-orders, so may be a close to a year before they show up at stores. Some QC issues, but the basic platform seems sound. I am sure all the kinks will be worked out based on the feedback they are getting.
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Thanks for that info....really is a NR levy as usual lol
 
Lot's of fun and cheap to shoot.

Useless if you want to do anything besides shoot steel inside 100 yards though. I've owned a lot of different pcc's and always get bored with them.
223 has a way better trajectory and can easily be shot out to 300+ yards. The furthest I've shot a pcc and actually hit things was 200 yards and I was lobbing them in.

Not all clubs will let you compete with them for your carbine so look into that if that's your intention.

It all depends what you want to do with them. I find that they're a nice toy to play with, recoil and muzzle blast are very gentle (don't really need hearing protection if you don't put a brake on it.
They DO NOT need a brake either, I see guys putting big expensive brakes on their 9mm carbine and just shake my head. Added noise for little to no shooting benefit. My 9mm AR and Vector have almost zero recoil without a brake and they're quiet.
 
ZREXER said:
Unfortunately, we have a rather hefty unofficial NR tax in Canada. My $2500 NR Tavor X-95 doesn't come close to the accuracy of my $700 S&W M&P 15. Still love it, but wish it shot a little better. At least I can use it off the range.
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There is no NR tax, it's either supply and demand or just what chit costs to get it across the border and still let people make enough money for it to be worth their time. Look into the costs and headaches involved in importing a rifle if you don't believe me, it's not as simple as just converting the dollar and paying for shipping.

Price is not related to accuracy either by the way. Just because something costs $2500 doesn't mean it will be more accurate than a $1000 rifle. What it does mean is that rifle should be built better, use more expensive materials and use better coatings. We hope that a $2500 rifle is more accurate than a $1000 rifle but what I would expect would be a much longer service life, better reliability, and better product support a couple years down the road.
Your S&W costs $700 because they build thousands of them every year and are competing with other companies who make thousands of AR's, this drives the cost down due to the huge volume produced and the competition it creates.
 
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cr5 said:
There is no NR tax, it's either supply and demand or just what chit costs to get it across the border and still let people make enough money for it to be worth their time. Look into the costs and headaches involved in importing a rifle if you don't believe me, it's not as simple as just converting the dollar and paying for shipping.

Price is not related to accuracy either by the way. Just because something costs $2500 doesn't mean it will be more accurate than a $1000 rifle. What it does mean is that rifle should be built better, use more expensive materials and use better coatings. We hope that a $2500 rifle is more accurate than a $1000 rifle but what I would expect would be a much longer service life, better reliability, and better product support a couple years down the road.
Your S&W costs $700 because they build thousands of them every year and are competing with other companies who make thousands of AR's, this drives the cost down due to the huge volume produced and the competition it creates.
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The Smith and Wesson in actuality is just another mass produced AR15, I would wager a bet that they aren't even "assembled" in house, and are shipped, boxed and reshipped to resellers.
 
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