P14/p17 lack of collector interest????????????????????
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I wish it were really so.......$250 tops for a Lee whatever. I'm afraid you're living in the past.....way in the past!!! I know prices on Gun Nutz tend to be a bit high but the hammer price is what the market is willing to bear. You say no Lee Enfield is worth $800.......find me No4 snipers for .....lets say $2000 and make yourself a healthy profit and sell them to me and we've got two happy parties.
In the real world I pay $800 plus all day long for the right Enfields and will continue to do so happily and thinking I'm getting a bargain I'm not necessarily talking about No4's though.
No pun intended...seriously!!!
If I had paid $300 for a Garand in the late 90's or early 2000's I would probably believe they are still worth that amount today. If I was old enough to remember the barrels of Lee Enfields at Canadian Tire, I also would believe that paying around $1000 for a nice untouched one would be preposterous. But, the fact is, original WW1 and WW2 guns are no longer being made. And these items are interesting to many people because they represent very important moments in history. I don't think that's going to change. What will change is the number of milsurp guns in existence. That's always going down. The number of folks interested in them, that may go up, or down. So bcvameron is right; simple supply and demand. I have had the luck to buy a Lee Enfield No1MkV Trials Rifle in 2018. I paid a decent amount for it; only 20,000 were made. This one happens to be near new. I can't imagine what it'd get at an auction. And what about a Lee Metford Carbine, issued to Newfoundland in late 1800's. Newfoundland bought around 500 of them. Over there, collectors would likely pay more for it than if I was to sell it in Yukon, given it's history.
What really makes me kringe is when I see a Savage Axis, which feels like poop as soon as you touch it, cost as much as it does. I would be tempted to say that's a $100 gun costing $400. Or what about recent production Remington 870 express with misaligned and wavy barrel top rib. That, my friend, is reason to swear.
What really makes me kringe is when I see a Savage Axis, which feels like poop as soon as you touch it, cost as much as it does. I would be tempted to say that's a $100 gun costing $400. Or what about recent production Remington 870 express with misaligned and wavy barrel top rib. That, my friend, is reason to swear.
M1917 is correct for all that were made as such but some of these were supplied to Canada and UK in WWII and issued to forces here and to the Home Guard there. The designation P17 is reported in documents and training manuals so it is not wrong to use it for rifles that were in British or Canadian service.
Personally I am very invested in the .303British cartridge and have several No.4s and a No.5, but I wouldn't call myself a collector. I like to have them to use. I would like to get a P14 in as-issued configuration, original or restored, to experience shooting it, but I don't care enough to pay as much as many who would collect them or trade in them for profit. If I do ever get one I might keep it or I might not.
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A thing is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay or the owner is willing to pass up. The value of money is variable, too. If you have more than enough for all your other needs you might well pay a price many would think silly for a thing you really want. Tell me what rifles you have and however accurate, finely crafted, technically advanced, I can probably find people to whom they aren't worth what they typically sell for on the market.
These old guns are often worth much more than their prices when they’re first introduced which starts the collectors collection.
The Mosin or SKS’ for $99 for example or even the K31’s for $250. When first brought into the country the prices are low and there is genuine value when compared to modern makes. The history side is mearly a bonus but acts as a seed to grow in the mind of the owner.
I have a couple of M1917’s and both are very nicely built quality firearms. The sporter version was a bargain. The full wood one I have has the ability to trick your mind into taking you back in time to a different era. That kind of majic is hard to come by in life.
Musicians experience the same with vintage quality instruments. There’s more to owing a piece of history than simply the sum of its parts.
The Mosin or SKS’ for $99 for example or even the K31’s for $250. When first brought into the country the prices are low and there is genuine value when compared to modern makes. The history side is mearly a bonus but acts as a seed to grow in the mind of the owner.
I have a couple of M1917’s and both are very nicely built quality firearms. The sporter version was a bargain. The full wood one I have has the ability to trick your mind into taking you back in time to a different era. That kind of majic is hard to come by in life.
Musicians experience the same with vintage quality instruments. There’s more to owing a piece of history than simply the sum of its parts.
Well isnt that the truth!
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I bought a Remington M1917 in 2000 for $240.00, very nice and very accurate. Half the fun was learning about its history. Mine for example was used by the DANISH RANGERS in Greenland. I understand they Hand picked them for their accuracy and made the cutout on top of the receiver to handle a longer cartridge. I don't know what it is worth as it is now and I don't care as I will likely pass it on to one of my Sons.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/573595-Enfield-Model-1917-(P-17)-experts-needed
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/573595-Enfield-Model-1917-(P-17)-experts-needed
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The OP should have been around in the 60's- 80's...everybody wanted the 14's or 17's depending on what caliber of wildcat you had dreamed up, they were $50 less than any 03 that was around and very much strong enough for any shoulder fired magnum you could hold onto. Not saying they were "collectors" as defined now...we cut the ears and rear sights off by the box full and welded/straightened up the floor plate to make them lighter and easier to carry. I even split the hollow bolt knob and with a torch opened the knob up to make an easily gripped & operated butter-knife bolt.
I still have 6 or 8 barrelless, earless actions in a tool box saving them for that next "can't go without" build....
I still have 6 or 8 barrelless, earless actions in a tool box saving them for that next "can't go without" build....
Agreed.
I still have that P14 you restored Lou, excellent shooter, and one of my favourites!Last milsurp shoot we took part in, at my gun club, my son placed 1st with a M1917, I placed 2nd with my P14. There.
Lou
Always love to read something like that! Thanks !
That's gold! I almost spit out my coffee reading that haha.
Clifford Shore (yes, that Clifford Shore) referred to the .30-06 rifle as the M-17...
So, make of that what you will...
I have a Remington actioned P14 in 303 Epps, and it is a fine shooting iron for 1916 production.
Bore slugs at .3128, and I use anything in .311-.313" diameter....it seems to be quite catholic in
it's preferences. My standard 303 Brit is in a 1910 Ross that is my pet. Shoots moa with loads it
likes. Dave.
Bore slugs at .3128, and I use anything in .311-.313" diameter....it seems to be quite catholic in
it's preferences. My standard 303 Brit is in a 1910 Ross that is my pet. Shoots moa with loads it
likes. Dave.
I think it's funny that you believe a few enthusiasts on cgn jacked milsurp prices to present levels. Heck, I'd bet the very vast majority of people buying the rifles have never even heard of cgn.
