Future of semi auto shotguns in Canada

[ninepointer]

Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with.

A bitter pill to swallow for sure, and one that we have already had to swallow several times, at least in my 35 years of gun ownership. It pains me to say this, but I see nothing that leads me to believe that we won't have to swallow more of these pills.

We can be indignant and outraged and quote statistics to counter their misleading statistics until we are blue in the face. But this is what it comes down to:

-2.2 million men and women had gun licences at June 30, 2018.
-That’s about 7 percent of the country’s 29.7 million adults.
-Not all of them own guns, but all of them are allowed to.
Source: TheGunBlog.ca

What this means is that we gun owners and those inclined to think along our lines are a minority when it comes to voting power. We are not just slightly in the minority, but the reality is that we are political ankle-biters. We may be better organized and better represented than we once were, which allows us to punch above our weight, but that only gets us so far.

In this echo-chamber of ours we can tell ourselves all we want that we gun owners are a voting and economic powerhouse, but we are not.

Do we have some ability to influence some outcomes? Yes, that has been proven.
Do we negotiate from the position of strength? No.

Any of you here who do any kind of negotiating in your daily lives know what this means.

 

[3macs1]

I know both young and old shooters that would gladly throw everyone under the bus, as long as their firearms are left alone. I know several younger firearms owners that have no issue with a long gun registry. I personally don't own any of the tactical style firearms, but I will fight for everyone being able to own and use them, because I realize, that once this style of firearms are banned, the anti gun crowd will go after the hunting firearms next.

You know it was always like that with all gun owners but somewhere and I cannot figure out when and why now a gun is no longer a gun and we are in separate groups
How did we get so divided??? and why are we stupid enough to eat our own and continue down this path
Cheers

 

[FLYBYU44]

You know it was always like that with all gun owners but somewhere and I cannot figure out when and why now a gun is no longer a gun and we are in separate groups
How did we get so divided??? and why are we stupid enough to eat our own and continue down this path
Cheers

I am not sure how we got so divided...my most tactical firearm is a single shot 12 guage. I happen to like them, even though I have owned semi auto rifles and handguns in the past, they just aren't my thing. Doesn't mean I am going to throw those people that own them under the bus. Ultimately they will come for my single shots one day too.

 

[Butcherbill]

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That is quite a statement. Not sure what it is based on however
Too bad it is not the younger guys that own 75% of the firearms in canada , been in this fight for many years already and support the gun orgs. At least here it is the old guys with the 100's each to lose not the young guys
I wonder who really stands up when the wall comes. Those that have the most to lose or ???

Cheers

I can only speak from my own experience within my circle of friends that shoot or hunt, we are all in our mid 40’s or younger. Our interests in guns range widely from blued steel and walnut stocks to modern black rifles, we like them all and want to see some old timer in the maritimes keep his semi auto shotgun or his sxs just as much as the 30 something guy in Toronto keep his handgun and AR15. It seems like anytime a gun owner is ready to throw some other group under the bus it’s the older guys that are lining up to “Offer up” a sacrifice hoping their hunting gun will be overlooked for now, their all on the chopping block fellas...

I personally don't own any of the tactical style firearms, but I will fight for everyone being able to own and use them, because I realize, that once this style of firearms are banned, the anti gun crowd will go after the hunting firearms next.

This is how I see it, cheers man.

 

[3macs1]

I can only speak from my own experience within my circle of friends that shoot or hunt, we are all in our mid 40’s or younger. Our interests in guns range widely from blued steel and walnut stocks to modern black rifles, we like them all want to see some old timer in the maritimes keep his semi auto shotgun or his sxs just as much as the 30 something guy in Toronto keep his handgun and AR15. It seems like anytime a gun owner is ready to throw some other group under the bus it’s the older guys that are lining up to “Offer up” a sacrifice hoping their hunting gun will be overlooked for now, their all on the chopping block fellas...



This is how I see it, cheers man.

Same here on experience and I can assure you BC vs NS is apples and oranges
Mid 40's not young IMO. The older guys lining up?? What all those with 12(x) on their Rpals or have been gathering guns for 40 plus years averaging 1-2 per year and own nice collections now. I would bet the farm there is more older guys with way more to lose than young guys if just handguns were banned. Handguns I paid 100 bucks for that now are like 1000. It is not the fault of the young generation to have smaller collections everything today is so expensive
So I wonder who has the most to lose. It is not old guys calling anyone FUDDS either. Think about that
When I joined here nine years ago I had never heard the word but it is old guys wedging us apart. I honestly don't think so

Take care

 

[Butcherbill]

Same here on experience and I can assure you BC vs NS is apples and oranges
Mid 40's not young IMO. The older guys lining up?? What all those with 12(x) on their Rpals or have been gathering guns for 40 plus years averaging 1-2 per year and own nice collections now. I would bet the farm there is more older guys with way more to lose than young guys if just handguns were banned. Handguns I paid 100 bucks for that now are like 1000. It is not the fault of the young generation to have smaller collections everything today is so expensive
So I wonder who has the most to lose. It is not old guys calling anyone FUDDS either. Think about that
When I joined here nine years ago I had never heard the word but it is old guys wedging us apart. I honestly don't think so

Take care

Let me re word something, I don’t mean all the older guys when I say lining up. I don’t want to lump everyone in one category, that’s def not my intention. I just find anytime I see a fellow gun owner saying “You can’t hunt with that or you shouldn’t be able to own that.” it’s coming out of the mouth of someone who’s 50 or older, I don’t see young guys saying “Nobody needs a semi auto black rifle or handgun.” I just don’t see it and it’s unfortunate because the older guys are the ones that have more time and money invested in this thing. We are all in it together and I know most of the older generation has the cool stuff, I wish I had most of the year some of my older shooting friends have.

Think about this, would the younger generation of shooters have come up with the term Fudd if some older guy hadn’t hacked on them for shooting birds with a black shotgun? It came from somewhere and it likely was the reaction to some percentage of older guys looking down on the young guys for what they shoot or hunt with, I have personally experienced this and I can tell you I wasn’t making fun of anyone’s sxs or o/u. I like combat shotguns and I hunt with them successfully, I hear it every year “You can’t hunt grouse with that...? Just watch me, I shot a ton of birds with my 14” and 20” pump guns last year. Loved every minute of it!

 

[Cameron SS]

Yes the Liberals are coming for your shotguns. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. And they may not be on the top of the hit list, but when they get their way through that list it will eventually be down the shotguns and rimfires.

Buy one. Buy 10. THe more that people own them the safer they are, but don't for one second make the mistake of thinking that liberals won't eventually want to take them, because the die hards won't stop until they are all gone.

Always be vigilant. Always be engaged. Let not a single additional gun be subject to unjust confiscation.

 

[can-man]

I can only speak from my own experience within my circle of friends that shoot or hunt, we are all in our mid 40’s or younger. Our interests in guns range widely from blued steel and walnut stocks to modern black rifles, we like them all and want to see some old timer in the maritimes keep his semi auto shotgun or his sxs just as much as the 30 something guy in Toronto keep his handgun and AR15. It seems like anytime a gun owner is ready to throw some other group under the bus it’s the older guys that are lining up to “Offer up” a sacrifice hoping their hunting gun will be overlooked for now, their all on the chopping block fellas...



This is how I see it, cheers man.

Agree 100%

 

[3macs1]

Let me re word something, I don’t mean all the older guys when I say lining up. I don’t want to lump everyone in one category, that’s def not my intention. I just find anytime I see a fellow gun owner saying “You can’t hunt with that or you shouldn’t be able to own that.” it’s coming out of the mouth of someone who’s 50 or older, I don’t see young guys saying “Nobody needs a semi auto black rifle or handgun.” I just don’t see it and it’s unfortunate because the older guys are the ones that have more time and money invested in this thing. We are all in it together and I know most of the older generation has the cool stuff, I wish I had most of the year some of my older shooting friends have.

Think about this, would the younger generation of shooters have come up with the term Fudd if some older guy hadn’t hacked on them for shooting birds with a black shotgun? It came from somewhere and it likely was the reaction to some percentage of older guys looking down on the young guys for what they shoot or hunt with, I have personally experienced this and I can tell you I wasn’t making fun of anyone’s sxs or o/u. I like combat shotguns and I hunt with them successfully, I hear it every year “You can’t hunt grouse with that...? Just watch me, I shot a ton of birds with my 14” and 20” pump guns last year. Loved every minute of it!

Understand BUT

Nor do I and again young to me is not 40 years old . I hear young people saying we don't need any guns of any type period and gun owners and hunters are a bunch of cavemen
Six years ago my daughter did a paper in her grade 12 class of 258 students
Four of 258 had ever fired a gun or hunted and another four wanted to try it
The rest seen no need for any firearms in the hands of the general public regardless of type. Think about that
Welcome to the future at least in Nova Scotia

 

[canvasback]

Offer up nothing and be prepared for them to legislate something you have a problem with. It’ll take a while to change back and on this topic, it won’t be completely reversed if it ever is dealt with again.
I’m already restricted to 2 in my magazine for Waterfowl. By permanently restricting a shotgun to 3 shots from 5, capacity is reduced by 40% and retains 100% of what is regulated for Waterfowling. Maybe deer hunters can’t get by with 3 shots, maybe they can.
I’ve only been shooting for just over 50 years, sorry that Fudds like me are screwing eveything up....

Your mistake is thinking that something can be given and something received in return. That compromise is achievable. That a state of equilibrium with the antis can be reached. It can't. All evidence points to that. Their only end game is complete disarmament.

Give them nothing. Fight kicking and screaming the whole way. NOT ONE SINGLE INCH SHOULD WE GIVE.


Government and the antis are like the Terminator. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until ...

BTW, I only own and shoot vintage SxS shotguns but we are idiots if we think we aren't all in this together.

 

[mrgoat]

Trudeau and the girls and boys have dug themselves a hole that they may or may not get themselves out of by next fall. Either way between the current SNC Lavalin issue, the pipeline/oil issue in the west, the immigrants flooding across several border points and Justin's giving away billions in foreign aid etc. he has ticked off a lot of voters and he is 8 months away from an election. The lad is simply not to bright, but bright enough with advisors that he will not be banning anything anytime in the foreseeable future as he can not afford to upset anymore folks. All your worries may be for not as he may not survive the fall election. Even if he does get re-elected banning certain types of guns will be the least of his concerns for quite a while as it seems there is always a bigger fire to put out, especially when your a liberal and prone to setting them.

 

[3macs1]

Your mistake is thinking that something can be given and something received in return. That compromise is achievable. That a state of equilibrium with the antis can be reached. It can't. All evidence points to that. Their only end game is complete disarmament.

Give them nothing. Fight kicking and screaming the whole way. NOT ONE SINGLE INCH SHOULD WE GIVE.


Government and the antis are like the Terminator. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until ...

BTW, I only own and shoot vintage SxS shotguns but we are idiots if we think we aren't all in this together.

Agree 100%
Cheers

 

[canvasback]

A bitter pill to swallow for sure, and one that we have already had to swallow several times, at least in my 35 years of gun ownership. It pains me to say this, but I see nothing that leads me to believe that we won't have to swallow more of these pills.

We can be indignant and outraged and quote statistics to counter their misleading statistics until we are blue in the face. But this is what it comes down to:

-2.2 million men and women had gun licences at June 30, 2018.
-That’s about 7 percent of the country’s 29.7 million adults.
-Not all of them own guns, but all of them are allowed to.
Source: TheGunBlog.ca

What this means is that we gun owners and those inclined to think along our lines are a minority when it comes to voting power. We are not just slightly in the minority, but the reality is that we are political ankle-biters. We may be better organized and better represented than we once were, which allows us to punch above our weight, but that only gets us so far.

In this echo-chamber of ours we can tell ourselves all we want that we gun owners are a voting and economic powerhouse, but we are not.

Do we have some ability to influence some outcomes? Yes, that has been proven.
Do we negotiate from the position of strength? No.

Any of you here who do any kind of negotiating in your daily lives know what this means.

I spent my career negotiating. 2.2 million people is a freaking gigantic special interest group. The problem is we don't speak with one voice. We don't lobby effectively with the voting support and financial support of those 2.2 million people. Harness that properly and look forward to CC.

 

[canvasback]

Trudeau and the girls and boys have dug themselves a hole that they may or may not get themselves out of by next fall. Either way between the current SNC Lavalin issue, the pipeline/oil issue in the west, the immigrants flooding across several border points and Justin's giving away billions in foreign aid etc. he has ticked off a lot of voters and he is 8 months away from an election. The lad is simply not to bright, but bright enough with advisors that he will not be banning anything anytime in the foreseeable future as he can not afford to upset anymore folks. All your worries may be for not as he may not survive the fall election. Even if he does get re-elected banning certain types of guns will be the least of his concerns for quite a while as it seems there is always a bigger fire to put out, especially when your a liberal and prone to setting them.

Complacency will lose you your guns. The Liberals aren't the only enemy for reasonably free and unfettered gun ownership and property rights. ALL THREE MAINSTREAM PARTIES ARE A PROBLEM. The CPC is simply the least bad of the three.

Until we band together and speak effectively as one voice representing 2 million licensed gun owners, we will always be used and abused.

 

[Deckard]

The Liberals will shyte down our throats. It's still war.

 

[Butcherbill]

Understand BUT

Nor do I and again young to me is not 40 years old . I hear young people saying we don't need any guns of any type period and gun owners and hunters are a bunch of cavemen
Six years ago my daughter did a paper in her grade 12 class of 258 students
Four of 258 had ever fired a gun or hunted and another four wanted to try it
The rest seen no need for any firearms in the hands of the general public regardless of type. Think about that
Welcome to the future at least in Nova Scotia

That is a whole other ball of wax to get into and not directly related to gun owners young or old throwing other gun owners under the bus thinking they will save their preferred style of guns.

Complacency will lose you your guns. The Liberals aren't the only enemy for reasonably free and unfettered gun ownership and property rights. ALL THREE MAINSTREAM PARTIES ARE A PROBLEM. The CPC is simply the least bad of the three.

Until we band together and speak effectively as one voice representing 2 million licensed gun owners, we will always be used and abused.

The truth in a nutshell, we are all in this together. We all stand to loose the ability to use and own whatever we already can use.

 

[Ironheart]

They are non restricted, I will own them till the day i die ( even if my M4 was restricted) they wouldn't get that either

Keep shooting, enjoy life , live free, FTW

 

[mrgoat]

Complacency will lose you your guns. The Liberals aren't the only enemy for reasonably free and unfettered gun ownership and property rights. ALL THREE MAINSTREAM PARTIES ARE A PROBLEM. The CPC is simply the least bad of the three.

Until we band together and speak effectively as one voice representing 2 million licensed gun owners, we will always be used and abused.

I did not intend to imply complacency. Only the current situation. I firmly believe that we are definitely all in this together alone. The ultimate goal is to disarm the Canadian populace. Canada bought into the global disarmament theory decades ago. Papa Trudeau got the ball rolling. The Liberals being the worst, NDP second and lastly the Conservatives. But be assured none of the parties are our buddies. It will be a continuous steep battle with never an end in sight to retain our ownership of guns. Our great, great, great, grandchildren will be fighting this battle to retain ownership of whatever the armament is of their day.

 

[Midnight Rider]

Trudeau and the girls and boys have dug themselves a hole that they may or may not get themselves out of by next fall. Either way between the current SNC Lavalin issue, the pipeline/oil issue in the west, the immigrants flooding across several border points and Justin's giving away billions in foreign aid etc. he has ticked off a lot of voters and he is 8 months away from an election. The lad is simply not to bright, but bright enough with advisors that he will not be banning anything anytime in the foreseeable future as he can not afford to upset anymore folks. All your worries may be for not as he may not survive the fall election. Even if he does get re-elected banning certain types of guns will be the least of his concerns for quite a while as it seems there is always a bigger fire to put out, especially when your a liberal and prone to setting them.

Gun control plays heavily to the Liberal base . If Trudeau gets re-elected in Oct. ; then it will be full speed ahead on moving all restricted class firearms to the prohibited class . It is all about making the Liberal base happy , and keeping them on side . The Liberals want a firearm free Canada , and they will always pursue that agenda when they are in power .

 

[trebor2880]

The lad is simply not to bright, but bright enough with advisors that he will not be banning anything anytime in the foreseeable future as he can not afford to upset anymore folks.

He will gain more support and respect by banning/confiscating guns, than he will lose. The vast majority of the voting public hate guns.
Think 'bout it. How many fudds in our own shooting community wouldn't bat an eye if handguns and black guns were confiscated.