some amazing shooting
http://www.guzer.com/videos/patrick_flanigan_shooting.php
http://www.guzer.com/videos/patrick_flanigan_shooting.php
When you master Skeet & Trap try this "Video"
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Trick shooting is not the same as competition. Competition is harder. This is why they added the random time delay to international doubles trap and skeet, to prevent memorization to run up scores.
This is not to denigrate Patrick Flanigan, obviously a good shot. However, no trick shooters that I am aware of win Olympic or world championship events. I don't know of anyone who thinks he/she has "mastered" the sport, either.
It used to be possible for trick shooters to make a living with their act. Flanigan may be a pioneer in bringing back the job description to tax - paying status. I wish him luck.
Sharptail
This is not to denigrate Patrick Flanigan, obviously a good shot. However, no trick shooters that I am aware of win Olympic or world championship events. I don't know of anyone who thinks he/she has "mastered" the sport, either.
It used to be possible for trick shooters to make a living with their act. Flanigan may be a pioneer in bringing back the job description to tax - paying status. I wish him luck.
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Twelve rounds in 1.7 seconds........thats uh...pretty quick!
hey you guys want to see another trick shoot go on www.video.google.com and search tom knapp his is pretty good and he doesn't miss as much as patrick.
I doubt that any Olympic Trap shooters could do what the trick shooters do either, there is probably more skill required for the trick shooting since Trap is basically the same movements over and over from each shooting position. I am a shooter and could not tell you one Olympic Trap shooters name but I do know the name Tom Knapp, shows how much the Olympics and the government don't promote shooting I guess.
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Tom Knapp, Pat Flanigan & Scott Robertson (the "guy in the Beretta video") are all very accomplished Exhibition Shooters ... but perhaps none so much as was the late Herb Parsons... "Showman Shooter" for Winchester back in the 50's and 60's. Herb was just as proficient with a shotgun as he was with
rifles. Really interesting to watch him "powder" hand-thrown aspirins with a
.22 ... or hitting the empties he ejected from a .22 pump while still in the air !
There's nothing "trick" about exhibition shooting ... it takes a lot of hard work and practice, just like any other shooting discipline ... but it's meant to entertain (and advertise).
Like Sharptail says, these guys don't compete at the International or Olympic
Trap & Skeet level ... and they, like the Olympians, will be the first to tell you
that they have not "mastered" the sport either.
Of all of them, the lone "competitor" is Scott Robertson. He is a very accomplished Master class Sporting Clays and FITASC shooter with a long string of wins ... and although he hasn't ( ...yet ! ) is one of the very few Exhibition shooters that "has what it takes" in terms of skill, commitment & concentration to compete successfully at the International level.
To date, however, the winnings at US State & National levels, as well as what
arrangements he has with Beretta & other manufacturers ... all pay a lot better
rifles. Really interesting to watch him "powder" hand-thrown aspirins with a
.22 ... or hitting the empties he ejected from a .22 pump while still in the air !
There's nothing "trick" about exhibition shooting ... it takes a lot of hard work and practice, just like any other shooting discipline ... but it's meant to entertain (and advertise).
Like Sharptail says, these guys don't compete at the International or Olympic
Trap & Skeet level ... and they, like the Olympians, will be the first to tell you
that they have not "mastered" the sport either.
Of all of them, the lone "competitor" is Scott Robertson. He is a very accomplished Master class Sporting Clays and FITASC shooter with a long string of wins ... and although he hasn't ( ...yet ! ) is one of the very few Exhibition shooters that "has what it takes" in terms of skill, commitment & concentration to compete successfully at the International level.
To date, however, the winnings at US State & National levels, as well as what
arrangements he has with Beretta & other manufacturers ... all pay a lot better
You know the name Tom Knapp because of the hype. If you don't know the name Susan Nattrass then you should hang your head in shame. Seriously.
Compaing what the Knapp's of this world do to the Olympic shooters and FITASC shooters is like comparing a guy who does card tricks with a championship poker player.
Seems that both are striving to be the best at what they choose to do. Comparing is not fair to either. If its shear entertainment or intence competition, both are good for all shooting sports.
I used to shoot Trap and it was OK but I found it a bit boring and repetative, at least it was way better than shooting Skeet. By your name I know you are a Skeet or Trap enthusist and that is fine, I guess it makes you feel better trying to belittle the trick shooters but it just demonstrates your elitist attitude towards your sport. In the end I have to agree with Covey Ridge's statement below.
My intention was not to belittle trick shooters but to put them in the proper context following your post which seems to demean Olympic shooters.
Don't mistake a one trick pony from a champion thoroughbred.
You should investigate the differences between ATA trap, American skeet and their Olympic counterparts. The Olympic versions are much tougher games to shoot.
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Well that proves my point doesn't it? You know who Susan Nattrass is, I know who she is, so do thousands of others. All someone does by claiming they can't name one Canadian competitor is demonstrate their own ignorance.
Also, if one makes grand statements about skeet and trap and doesn't understand the differences between ATA and American Skeet and the Olympic versions of the same sports then he shouldn't be too surprised if someone points out that he has more to learn.
Well that proves my point doesn't it? You know who Susan Nattrass is, I know who she is, so do thousands of others. All someone does by claiming they can't name one Canadian competitor is demonstrate their own ignorance.
Also, if one makes grand statements about skeet and trap and doesn't understand the differences between ATA and American Skeet and the Olympic versions of the same sports then he shouldn't be too surprised if someone points out that he has more to learn.
What grand statements? A little touchy are we? Just who is it that does not know the difference between those different versions and if they did not, what would they learn about exhibition shooting other than to be judgemental?
BTW, just a few minutes ago, I asked the wife of a trapshooter who Susan Natrass was and she did not know. I guess I should have heaped the shame line on her eh?
Claybuster, You are too full of your own inflated ego. The fellow who called you elitist is right.
The toughest thing about trap shooting is not hitting the target but overcomming the boredom to hit em all and them listen to the old geezers get upset when someone points out something that is actually fun to watch.
I wasn't referring to statements made by you but the comments from another poster who said stunt shooting probably required more skill than Olympic trap. Just in case you missed it:What grand statements? A little touchy are we? Just who is it that does not know the difference between those different versions and if they did not, what would they learn about exhibition shooting other than to be judgemental?
BTW, just a few minutes ago, I asked the wife of a trapshooter who Susan Natrass was and she did not know. I guess I should have heaped the shame line on her eh?
Claybuster, You are too full of your own inflated ego. The fellow who called you elitist is right.
The toughest thing about trap shooting is not hitting the target but overcomming the boredom to hit em all and them listen to the old geezers get upset when someone points out something that is actually fun to watch.
Stunt shooting is fun to watch. So is watching a dog walking on its hind legs balancing a ball on its nose. But it is not on the same level of accomplishment as a world champion field trial competitor.Silverback said:
Attempting to compare one's own experiences with American Skeet or ATA trapshooting with Olympic competition is not unlike someone declaring that having driven a hot rod around the local dirt track he knows what it takes to compete in Formula One racing.
Let me think! I personally know of hundreds, including myself who have shot 100 straights. I often see at least one at every shoot I go to. I know many who have managed 200’s.
Now at this point I can not think of one single person I know who has shot 11 hand thrown targets at one time. I have only heard of one. Patrick Flanigan! I have seen the video! Next to this I saw a video of some guy with a tricked up nova shoot 8. My father told me that Herb Parsons shot 7 with a model 12 and told me that he actually saw him shoot 6.
I have shot some of the international type trap and some international type skeet and I agree that it is way more difficult than the popcorn domestic variety most clubs provide, but I know that I would have a better chance of doing well at these sports than I would of ever hitting 11 targets that I put in the air myself.
I would like to see just one of the international greats go head to head with someone like Flanigan. Lets say 25 targets of the Olympian’s choice and 25 of the exhibition shooter’s choice.
I have heard it said many times that good hand and eye coordination are key to good wing shooting. Just my opinion, but I think that Flanigan has demonstrated that.
I am not sure that there is more skill required for trick shooting, but your silly card trick, pooch walking on back legs, and hot rod comparisons sure don’t convince me, you have any valid opinion at all. I am not a hot rodder, but I know a few card tricks and have trained a dog to walk on his back legs and if that is how easy it is or the skill level required, lets see how many hand thrown targets an accomplished claybuster like yourself can break.
How about this? Let's say the Olympian gets to practice for a year to match Flannigan. In the meantime Flanigan competes to qualify for a position on the Olympic team.
Sure he has it and he can shoot fast. But can he manage the mental discipline and focus to compete at the International level? Probably not.
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You are not putting too much faith in the Olympic shooter when he/she gets to practice for a year and in the meantime Flannigan has to start Olympic Team qualifications right away.
I'm sure that trick shooting doesn't take any mental dicipline to achieve results like Flannnigan.
Depending on the country, qualification for the Olympics doesn't occur in one shoot but over an extended period of time. It's an aggregate score based on performance at the international level against international competitors. It might take him a year or longer to qualify for the team.You are not putting too much faith in the Olympic shooter when he/she gets to practice for a year and in the meantime Flannigan has to start Olympic Team qualifications right away.
I'm sure that trick shooting doesn't take any mental dicipline to achieve results like Flannnigan.
