Issue with 7.62x54R and certain powders

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I'm loading 7.62x54R for my Mosin & SVT. I've being having issues with two different powders not igniting and turning my powder in the cartridge into a grey/yellow chunky blob. The powders are Winchester 748 and Hodgdon H335.

For my issue, the primer fires but the powder does not ignite. The projectile lodges in the barrel about 2-4" from the chamber and I use a dowel or my cleaning rod to tap the projectile out. The crud of the powder spills out and I have to clean the barrel/chamber to try another round. I have since pulled all of the cartridges with these powders and projectiles.

Cases: tried both once-fired and brand new PPU boxer primed brass. Trimmed to length, full length sized, primer pockets reamed and cleaned.
Primer: tried both Federal Large Rifle and CCI Large Rifle
Projectile: using 123gr FMJ, 0.311 dia (I bought 500 rounds of pulled steel core 123gr FMJ projectiles)

From 9th Edition of Hornady, the load with Win 748 is 41.6gr (min) to 51.3gr (max). I have had 6 of 9 of my 42gr W748 loaded rounds fail to fire (4 were Federal primer, 2 were CCI primer).
From Hodgdon's website (or the 2018 Annual Manual) for the 125gr projectile the load with H335 is 50.0gr (min) to 53.0gr (max). I have had 2 of 5 of my 50.0 gr H335 loaded rounds fail to fire.

Observations:
(i) neither of these two powders are listed in my Lyman 48th Edition (for the 125 gr jacketed).
(ii) from my 2nd Edition Lee manual the W748 is not listed, but the same values for H335 are listed (it is my understanding that Lee uses data from the manufacturers).
(iii) so far, none of my BLC(2) loads in 7.62x54R have failed to fire but I have not shot more than 15 rounds (56gr and 58gr of BLC(2) as per Hodgden/Lee)
(iv) From 48th Lyman for 303 British I have used 41.0gr Win 748 with this same projectile and primer without issues (maybe 20 rounds).
(v) From my 2018 Hodgdon Manual for 303 British I've used 42 gr H335 with same projectiles and primers without issue (maybe 20 rounds).

From my burn rate chart I note that BLC(2) and W748 are very close (#105 & #106), while H335 is #83 on the fastest (1) to slowest (150).

Question: is there anything about these powders that would make them unsuitable for 7.62x54R with this projectile? What would be a "good" powder? I have not tried Varget but I see it is listed in Hornady, Hodgdon, and Lyman.

With ~500 projectiles to share between my 303 British and 7.62x54R I'd prefer a single powder that will work reliably.

Thanks
 
Magnum LR primers are recommended for ball powders such as W748. A good crimp wouldn't hurt either.
This is what I also recommend especially with the light bullet you are using. I use 174 jacketed and 200 gr. cast. Ball powders are harder to ignite and Winchester recommends a magnum primer be used with their ball powders.
 
A light bullet, partially full case of ball powder is the perfect recipe for no ignition.

You would be better off using an extruded powder. 3031 or 4895.

If you use ball powder, use the hottest primer you can find (MAgnum) and the most neck tension you can get.
 
Op you should not have chunky blob in the case. It should be dry powder whether its ball or stick. Check how much lube you are using while resizing your cases, may be some lube get inside the case and contaminate your powder charge. No matter what primers you use or how hot they are they won't ignite wet powder.
 
Well judging by that picture its definitely some sort of moisture contamination you got there. If its not lube, then you need to review your case cleaning or storage procedures. If you use wet type of cleaning method it may be some moisture was trapped in the cases and contaminated your powder charge. You'd be surprised what can actually happen.
Picture of the chunky blob https://i.imgur.com/kZGWgMA.png

I use Lee lube (wax based, in a tube) and lube by hand. 99.9% sure there is not lube in the cases contaminating the powder.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 
At our American Lake City Army Ammunition Plant Remington ran this plant from 1941 until 1982. And used their 7 1/2 and 9 1/2 primers to light off Winchester ball powders in the military ammunition.

I use Remington primers with all my ball powders, now look at the photos at the link below and the Remington primers firing.

Primer Flash Test Photos
by German Salazar
https://www.6mmbr.com/primerpix.html
 
A light bullet, partially full case of ball powder is the perfect recipe for no ignition.

You would be better off using an extruded powder. 3031 or 4895.

If you use ball powder, use the hottest primer you can find (MAgnum) and the most neck tension you can get.


It could also be a good recipe for a kaboom, depending on how much air space is in the cartridge. Detonation, instead of ignition.
 
This is a common situation, too light of a load, with a light bullet in a large case.
You need to increase your powder charge, crimp well, and it should be fine.
There is no moisture/lube or any other issue here.
 
I dry tumble with walnut media (with a dryer sheet or 2 tore up to "clean" the media) and there is no liquid anywhere. Brass goes from range to tumbler (in the garage) to my reloading bench. Full length resized on my single stage after Lee lube by hand (fingers), trimmed with Lee trimmer and my cordless drill, then primed, powder, bullet, and crimp.

I use the Lee 3 die set, with the crimp die being my last step.
 
I dry tumble with walnut media (with a dryer sheet or 2 tore up to "clean" the media) and there is no liquid anywhere. Brass goes from range to tumbler (in the garage) to my reloading bench. Full length resized on my single stage after Lee lube by hand (fingers), trimmed with Lee trimmer and my cordless drill, then primed, powder, bullet, and crimp.

I use the Lee 3 die set, with the crimp die being my last step.

Moisture has to come from somewhere as that powder didn't look like a lump in the picture when you put it in the case, didn't it?
 
That’s not from moisture. That is typically what incomplete powder ignition produces. I have seen the same thing with too low a charge when working up a load with an unknown powder.

Ted
 
I’ve had this happen with 7.62x54R and in my .375H&H. It happened with H335, which I don’t use for my mosin’s anymore, I do still use it for my .375 but I use mag primers. Like said above, not moisture, that’s what incomplete combustion looks like.
 
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